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Pieman

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#46 18/04/2017 at 21:30

After the war, the most celebrated British politician who has ever existed was voted out. He was the man for the war, but not the man for rebuilding the country. I am sorry, but this election is all about Brexit. People really do not seem to get how damaging it could be or how unbelievably good Brexit could be for this country. We need a Govt to sort this mess out and do so quickly (2-5 years) and indeed resolve the constitutional differences of the UK for the next 100 years. This is about the size of the pot, not about how we are going to divy it up. We need a quick, decisive divorce and then a wide range of agreements to supersede the EU. Achieving this is beyond the current resources of our Govt if EVERYONE pulls in one direction. May is right, with everyone sticking their oar in, we haven't got a chance.

We need to vote for a Govt who are going to put us on the straight and narrow for maximum economic growth, wherever that comes from. If they achieve that and build a platform for wealth generation (in whatever guise) for the next 50 years, we can then vote for who is going to be the best at managing the cash generated then, which will probably be a different bunch. The next five years are crucial in setting the plan for the next 100. 

I'm Wednesday 'til I die. 

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azuliblancos

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#47 18/04/2017 at 21:40

After the war, the most celebrated British politician who has ever existed was voted out.
Pieman, 18/04/2017 at 21:30


Clement Attlee? 

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tylluan

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#48 18/04/2017 at 21:46

Labour came to power and stayed in power because Blair made the election into popularity contest. The Tories finally realised this and threw Cameron up against Brown.
Before 1996 we actually voted on manifesto because no one looked at Major, Foot, Kinnock etc and thought he's enigmatic. Now we vote based on the 'front man' rather than what the party offers, yet our constitution is to vote the party in. The 'front man' leads by default, hence May currently being PM.

On a social welfare scale Labour's manifesto will offer so much more but voters will be mediaised into looking at Corbyn and thinking Trotskyist. The best thing he could actually do would be to strike a deal with someone like David Milliband to 'lead' while Corbyn remains as deputy and the brains.
There's always been strong rumour that Blair was actually a puppet figurehead, lead by spin doctors, and Prescott made a lot of early policy decisions.

But as the Brexit vote showed, just promise any old Gubbins and talk shit and you'll win.
Just been listening to an update on the French presidential race and there's a far left candidate that's racing up the polls.
Apparently he dresses like Chairman Mao but that doesn't matter as he's promised to take France out NATO and any EU treaty that's NATO driven and he's also promised to raise the top tax bracket to 90%.
The last census of French voters showed that 79% of those that voted were the lowest wage earners so just goes to show, know your audience. 

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mkowl

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#49 18/04/2017 at 22:04

I think we are seeing extremes both left and right coming to the fore because of a dis-satisfaction with the entire self serving political class and their sycophants in the media for the last generation

Happy clapping for 4 years more than Emre 

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Beaconowl

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#50 18/04/2017 at 22:26

After the war, the most celebrated British politician who has ever existed was voted out. He was the man for the war, but not the man for rebuilding the country. I am sorry, but this election is all about Brexit. People really do not seem to get how damaging it could be or how unbelievably good Brexit could be for this country. We need a Govt to sort this mess out and do so quickly (2-5 years) and indeed resolve the constitutional differences of the UK for the next 100 years. This is about the size of the pot, not about how we are going to divy it up. We need a quick, decisive divorce and then a wide range of agreements to supersede the EU. Achieving this is beyond the current resources of our Govt if EVERYONE pulls in one direction. May is right, with everyone sticking their oar in, we haven't got a chance.

We need to vote for a Govt who are going to put us on the straight and narrow for maximum economic growth, wherever that comes from. If they achieve that and build a platform for wealth generation (in whatever guise) for the next 50 years, we can then vote for who is going to be the best at managing the cash generated then, which will probably be a different bunch. The next five years are crucial in setting the plan for the next 100.
Pieman, 18/04/2017 at 21:30



Labour came to power and stayed in power because Blair made the election into popularity contest. The Tories finally realised this and threw Cameron up against Brown.
Before 1996 we actually voted on manifesto because no one looked at Major, Foot, Kinnock etc and thought he's enigmatic. Now we vote based on the 'front man' rather than what the party offers, yet our constitution is to vote the party in. The 'front man' leads by default, hence May currently being PM.

On a social welfare scale Labour's manifesto will offer so much more but voters will be mediaised into looking at Corbyn and thinking Trotskyist. The best thing he could actually do would be to strike a deal with someone like David Milliband to 'lead' while Corbyn remains as deputy and the brains.
There's always been strong rumour that Blair was actually a puppet figurehead, lead by spin doctors, and Prescott made a lot of early policy decisions.

But as the Brexit vote showed, just promise any old Gubbins and talk shit and you'll win.
Just been listening to an update on the French presidential race and there's a far left candidate that's racing up the polls.
Apparently he dresses like Chairman Mao but that doesn't matter as he's promised to take France out NATO and any EU treaty that's NATO driven and he's also promised to raise the top tax bracket to 90%.
The last census of French voters showed that 79% of those that voted were the lowest wage earners so just goes to show, know your audience.
tylluan, 18/04/2017 at 21:46



I think we are seeing extremes both left and right coming to the fore because of a dis-satisfaction with the entire self serving political class and their sycophants in the media for the last generation

mkowl, 18/04/2017 at 22:04


3 very good posts  

Its now or never 

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Chinese Yellow Lorry

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#51 18/04/2017 at 22:41

I think we are seeing extremes both left and right coming to the fore because of a dis-satisfaction with the entire self serving political class and their sycophants in the media for the last generation

mkowl, 18/04/2017 at 22:04


You think we're seeing far-left swings? Some politicians sure, although they're only showing what they always were. But people aren't going to follow! Not in meaningful numbers anyway and certainly not here, because despite its challenges and the noisy dogma of UK hating and Western Capitalism hating leftards and luvvies that have been at times pervasive, the country and its people have never been dumb enough to vote in an extreme party of left or right, not without getting shut after one term anyway.

What IS different to perhaps even the last election and certainly all before it, is that the game is up for the media. It's going to be hard for newspapers to genuinely influence the electorate these days. Even the average Joe won't trust them, rightly so.  

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Meersbrook Owl

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#52 18/04/2017 at 22:50



You think we're seeing far-left swings? Some politicians sure, although they're only showing what they always were. But people aren't going to follow! Not in meaningful numbers anyway and certainly not here, because despite its challenges and the noisy dogma of UK hating and Western Capitalism hating leftards and luvvies that have been at times pervasive, the country and its people have never been dumb enough to vote in an extreme party of left or right, not without getting shut after one term anyway.

What IS different to perhaps even the last election and certainly all before it, is that the game is up for the media. It's going to be hard for newspapers to genuinely influence the electorate these days. Even the average Joe won't trust them, rightly so.
FrowningPhil, 18/04/2017 at 22:41


If only. The Sun, Daily Star, Express and Mail readers will still vote for whoever their paper tells them to. 

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Durruti

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#53 18/04/2017 at 23:05

Yeah, fuck the NHS, fuck education, fuck the poor, fuck the disabled, all hail the rich and mighty, Vote Tory!
azuliblancos, 18/04/2017 at 19:26

SaluteSaluteSaluteSaluteSalute
Some right (no sense of irony) embarrassing shit on this thread.

Proper cringeworty stuff. 

The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubt and the stupid ones full of confidence  

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Chinese Yellow Lorry

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#54 18/04/2017 at 23:09

Oh get fucked comrade!

Your times long gone mate, even in South Yorkshire!  

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Kop Owl

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#55 18/04/2017 at 23:22

Oh, good, these threads always bring out the best in OO posters. Thanks, Theresa, you shitwasp. 

Who's that passing out of defence? Is it Van Aken, Joost Van Aken? 

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LOBSTER

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#56 19/04/2017 at 01:43

just remember - If voting changed anything they would abolish it  

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Beaconowl

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#57 19/04/2017 at 02:20

Oh get fucked comrade!

Your times long gone mate, even in South Yorkshire!
FrowningPhil, 18/04/2017 at 23:09


Agree, how people can still believe in the Scargill loving types amaze me. While he and his lot live in castles, the likes of the working class lose their homes and live in despair  

Its now or never 

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The Mouse That Roared

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#58 19/04/2017 at 12:42

No TV debates, as May says no, whilst honest George quits as an MP. 

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bricat

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#59 19/04/2017 at 13:06

Labour, by putting a new managerial tier into the NHS effectively changed hospitals from places offering medical care into cost centres managed by administrators. The service to patients being at the bottom of the agenda. It has become easier for successive governments to contract these "hospital" services out to companies run by their buddies - Brown famously awarding millions of pounds of public money for IT work to a close family member's company - and the product supplied was scrapped as not fit for purpose.
What I would hope for is that Scotland gets independence and we can move Scotland out of our parliament with what be very interesting consequences for those parties who do not have one country's aspirations at heart. 

Fuck 'em. This city will always be ours. 

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Bradders23

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#60 19/04/2017 at 13:31

OK this may be very simple really, but can someone please align these 2 statements for me please.

"It's not ok to tax big corporations and banks more because they might up sticks and leave."

"Brexit won't cause big corporations and banks to leave because its not that easy and Frankfurt doesn't have the same appeal as London."

Just wondering like, because if I were one of the disabled people who're having their disability payments cut by £30 per week as well as a fit for work test not carried out by an actual doctor, I'd really be interested to know why.

 

Of course there are cracks, that's how the light gets in. 

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