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#76 16/11/2019 at 19:44

Hard as I was 25yrs ago thanks to this testosterone gel my doctor gave me.... 😂

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#77 18/11/2019 at 10:38



I expect that, 3 or 4 years ago, they were the ones having a tantrum because Chansiri needed to spend more to ‘gamble’ to get us in the PL.
Chelters, 15/11/2019 at 18:24


Damned if he spends millions on trying his hardest to get us up and trying to compete with Premier League failures in the meantime, and damned if he doesn't!

This is the thing with DC, if he'd come in and spent fuck all and just serviced the £5m a year "running costs" as we'd been doing since we got relegated in 2000, our mongs would have been screaming for him to spend!!

Yes he's made mistakes, who fucking hasn't, I can even understand the reasons why DC would "cut corners" that's if..IF he's cut corners, but this still stinks of a witch hunt, hopefully we've done everything by the book and that gets proved, but the EFL have definitely got a SWFC shaped bee in their bonnet. 

SACK MONK NOW!!!! OH, AND FUCK THE EFL!!!! 

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#78 18/11/2019 at 12:27



Damned if he spends millions on trying his hardest to get us up and trying to compete with Premier League failures in the meantime, and damned if he doesn't!

This is the thing with DC, if he'd come in and spent fuck all and just serviced the £5m a year "running costs" as we'd been doing since we got relegated in 2000, our mongs would have been screaming for him to spend!!

Yes he's made mistakes, who fucking hasn't, I can even understand the reasons why DC would "cut corners" that's if..IF he's cut corners, but this still stinks of a witch hunt, hopefully we've done everything by the book and that gets proved, but the EFL have definitely got a SWFC shaped bee in their bonnet.
MPB, 18/11/2019 at 10:38


this 

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#79 18/11/2019 at 13:25

Or he could have worked out the rules of the EFL

Calculated a budget that complied with said rules - which is still fairly generous

When it was clear that was going to be breached sanction the sale of some players

instead we now run a significant risk of a significant points deduction, thus the risk of relegation and for those poor buggers who took up the option of longer term season tickets the prospect of paying top dollar to see Shrewsbury at home whilst losing a significant chunk of our POTG fan base through daft pricing

Lets just pat him on the back for that one nice day out at Wembley when the last 3 years should have been about building a decent base not a spunk it all up the wall adventure  

Happy clapping for 4 years more than Emre 

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#80 18/11/2019 at 13:32

Or he could have worked out the rules of the EFL

Calculated a budget that complied with said rules - which is still fairly generous

When it was clear that was going to be breached sanction the sale of some players

instead we now run a significant risk of a significant points deduction, thus the risk of relegation and for those poor buggers who took up the option of longer term season tickets the prospect of paying top dollar to see Shrewsbury at home whilst losing a significant chunk of our POTG fan base through daft pricing

Lets just pat him on the back for that one nice day out at Wembley when the last 3 years should have been about building a decent base not a spunk it all up the wall adventure
mkowl, 18/11/2019 at 13:25


On your marks....get set......GOOOOOO! 

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#81 18/11/2019 at 13:54

Or he could have worked out the rules of the EFL

Calculated a budget that complied with said rules - which is still fairly generous

When it was clear that was going to be breached sanction the sale of some players

instead we now run a significant risk of a significant points deduction, thus the risk of relegation and for those poor buggers who took up the option of longer term season tickets the prospect of paying top dollar to see Shrewsbury at home whilst losing a significant chunk of our POTG fan base through daft pricing

Lets just pat him on the back for that one nice day out at Wembley when the last 3 years should have been about building a decent base not a spunk it all up the wall adventure
mkowl, 18/11/2019 at 13:25



Come back Mr Strafford and your fantastical flights of fancy ideas of running a football club based purely on positive thinking and lined up chakras, or you Mr Mandaric and your underwater phone and unwillingness to push the envelope a bit, or you Mr Allen and your 1970's working mens club turn approach to chairmanship!

As for you Chansiri, fuck you for giving it a go, fuck you for investing, fuck you for 2 play off finishes, fuck you for the pitch and drainage, fuck you for engaging with fans, fuck you for listening to em!! fuck you for trying to outsmart the archaic and fuckwitted body that is the EFL, fuck you fronting them and fighting the charges, fuck you for standing up to Ashley and the snake, fuck you for sticking by FF.....and most of all...fuck you for making your family Wednesday fans!

I'm not naive, I know he's made mistakes and been almost arrogant in his approach to being a chairman, but the reaction of our c**tish fanbase has been disgusting and illeducated in some parts...WAWAW? Don't make me laugh!  

Post edited on 18/11/2019 at 14:01 by MPB

SACK MONK NOW!!!! OH, AND FUCK THE EFL!!!! 

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#82 18/11/2019 at 14:03

If he is arrogant (and I'm not sure he is), then his 'arrogance' is no worse than those suing fans for criticism of the club or the ex-chairman posting on Owlstalk about how he'd be happy to give the new chairman pointers on running a club when he was the custodian when we were dragged to the steps of the High Court or the FD being interviewed a B road in France when the club was being wound up... 

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#83 18/11/2019 at 14:03

what Strafford did or did not do, what the old guard did is totally irrelevant now. Years ago, lets judge on the present

If you know the rules work within them, this argument about the EFL being to blame is nonsensical 

Happy clapping for 4 years more than Emre 

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#84 18/11/2019 at 15:38

We did know tghe rules.

We worked wihin hem.

EFLiverpool moved the goalposts 

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#85 18/11/2019 at 15:48

what Strafford did or did not do, what the old guard did is totally irrelevant now. Years ago, lets judge on the present

If you know the rules work within them, this argument about the EFL being to blame is nonsensical
mkowl, 18/11/2019 at 14:03


How do you know we haven't worked within the rules? And why is it nonsensical to think that the paragon of fit and proper virtue that is the EFL, are not in someway to blame in all this? They failed to spot a £60m ground sale first time round FFS!!

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SACK MONK NOW!!!! OH, AND FUCK THE EFL!!!! 

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#86 18/11/2019 at 16:35

I would assume that financial advisers and legal support employed by our chairman are very knowledgeable about their respective areas of work. .However the EFL blatantly ignore the legal and parliamentary system of our nation when it suits their purpose, generally when the EFL are wrong. I am not going to jump up and down berating our chairman, because he is trying to help the club progress through the FFP system which is ill thought out and plain stupid.
Obviously, the EFL, like most arrogant and ignorant bullies, do not like being challenged. Perhaps, by using some legal/ financial processes he has exploited the system successfully?  

Fuck 'em. This city will always be ours. 

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#87 18/11/2019 at 17:01



How do you know we haven't worked within the rules? And why is it nonsensical to think that the paragon of fit and proper virtue that is the EFL, are not in someway to blame in all this? They failed to spot a £60m ground sale first time round FFS!!
MPB, 18/11/2019 at 15:48


There are several aspects to that

1) In order to be charged by the EFL then there must be some grounds for questioning the evidence presented. None of us have seen the evidence presented or the chain of correspondence that arises throughout this process. So no I don't know that we have broke the rules in the same way that none of you know that we haven't

2) What I think of the EFL has an organisation does not really matter. The rules are fairly well explained, you can even check them on their website. Ignorance is no defence, neither is you presumed you would get away with it

3) The soft embargo probably resulted from the late filing of the accounts. It was lifted once they were filed. Whether the EFL are duty bound to review the accounts on that day I have no idea. It may work on the system several of us know on here like with HMRC, file but any checks are later.
Was the late filing of the accounts down to the EFL - we had 2 months longer in any event

4) If it is proven that the accounts inappropriately included the sale of the stadium then we will have significantly breached the 3 year loss rule. Was that the EFL's fault that we spent substantially more than our income.

5) Was it the EFL's fault we did not try what other clubs have had to do by selling a player or 2, reducing our outgoings or indeed maximising our commercial revenues

The one thing I absolutely know for certain is that if was Sheff U or Leeds U that had done exactly the same the reaction on here from some would be a tad different

The simple truth even if you can't bear it is this was a totally avoidable situation with just a bit of planning and acceptance that the EFL rules were not just pretend. So we have a season that has begun quite brightly now threatened to implode into a potential relegation battle. Whoppee fucking do  

Happy clapping for 4 years more than Emre 

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#88 18/11/2019 at 17:19

I would assume that financial advisers and legal support employed by our chairman are very knowledgeable about their respective areas of work. .However the EFL blatantly ignore the legal and parliamentary system of our nation when it suits their purpose, generally when the EFL are wrong. I am not going to jump up and down berating our chairman, because he is trying to help the club progress through the FFP system which is ill thought out and plain stupid.
Obviously, the EFL, like most arrogant and ignorant bullies, do not like being challenged. Perhaps, by using some legal/ financial processes he has exploited the system successfully?
bricat, 18/11/2019 at 16:35


To note that was the FA in respect of Fessi

I would totally support your view on that burden of proof level

In terms of this then there is no lower burden of proof. If it rests on whether the audited accounts were done properly or not - then the EFL can't use a lower standard. There is clearly judgements being exercised by the professional advisors and yes my hope is that this has been exercised diligently by them. Lets just say I wouldn't want to be in the auditors shoes otherwise. If it has then I consider that ends the disciplinary action. If it doesn't then the Club and advisors have every right to appeal and take the matter higher ie Court

Someone on OT made a good point - yes it does happen occasionally - in that the issue maybe that there is a lack of consistency between interim information supplied to them and the final accounts. If you research the FFP regulations then there are various dates interim and final information is supplied to the EFL in relation to past, current and future years.

So around the end of November I believe draft final figures for the last season have to be supplied alongside to date for the current year and forecast position for the rest of the season.

If this time last year the draft final figures for 2018 supplied to the EFL did not mention the sale of the stadium then can you understand any potential suspicions. This rests on the sale contract being agreed in principle on the 31st July 2018 at the latest." Oh we forget about a 60m transaction soz" does not really work. Again that is pure conjecture as I have no idea what was sent and when

But do you really think the EFL would start a disciplinary process with no grounds - whether those grounds are justified is another matter entirely

Happy clapping for 4 years more than Emre 

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#89 18/11/2019 at 17:26

We did know tghe rules.

We worked wihin hem.

EFLiverpool moved the goalposts
Andyben, 18/11/2019 at 15:38


What goal posts have been moved ?

The questioning appears to be on the timing of the stadium sale within a set of accounts - not the transaction per se

They may subsequently close the option that a few clubs chose to use but the disciplinary does not seem to be in relation to that

They have always had the right within the FFP rules to adjust any figures for non market value transactions

Whether the FFP rules are fair and reasonable are another matter entirely but I don't think they are retrospectively changing anything to have a go at us 

Happy clapping for 4 years more than Emre 

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#90 18/11/2019 at 18:24



There are several aspects to that

1) In order to be charged by the EFL then there must be some grounds for questioning the evidence presented. None of us have seen the evidence presented or the chain of correspondence that arises throughout this process. So no I don't know that we have broke the rules in the same way that none of you know that we haven't

2) What I think of the EFL has an organisation does not really matter. The rules are fairly well explained, you can even check them on their website. Ignorance is no defence, neither is you presumed you would get away with it

3) The soft embargo probably resulted from the late filing of the accounts. It was lifted once they were filed. Whether the EFL are duty bound to review the accounts on that day I have no idea. It may work on the system several of us know on here like with HMRC, file but any checks are later.
Was the late filing of the accounts down to the EFL - we had 2 months longer in any event

4) If it is proven that the accounts inappropriately included the sale of the stadium then we will have significantly breached the 3 year loss rule. Was that the EFL's fault that we spent substantially more than our income.

5) Was it the EFL's fault we did not try what other clubs have had to do by selling a player or 2, reducing our outgoings or indeed maximising our commercial revenues

The one thing I absolutely know for certain is that if was Sheff U or Leeds U that had done exactly the same the reaction on here from some would be a tad different

The simple truth even if you can't bear it is this was a totally avoidable situation with just a bit of planning and acceptance that the EFL rules were not just pretend. So we have a season that has begun quite brightly now threatened to implode into a potential relegation battle. Whoppee fucking do
mkowl, 18/11/2019 at 17:01


Pretty sure the pigs and dirty Leeds have both 'sold' their grounds to cover their past spending, which is pretty much what we've done... 

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