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#91 18/11/2019 at 19:13



There are several aspects to that

1) In order to be charged by the EFL then there must be some grounds for questioning the evidence presented. None of us have seen the evidence presented or the chain of correspondence that arises throughout this process. So no I don't know that we have broke the rules in the same way that none of you know that we haven't

2) What I think of the EFL has an organisation does not really matter. The rules are fairly well explained, you can even check them on their website. Ignorance is no defence, neither is you presumed you would get away with it

3) The soft embargo probably resulted from the late filing of the accounts. It was lifted once they were filed. Whether the EFL are duty bound to review the accounts on that day I have no idea. It may work on the system several of us know on here like with HMRC, file but any checks are later.
Was the late filing of the accounts down to the EFL - we had 2 months longer in any event

4) If it is proven that the accounts inappropriately included the sale of the stadium then we will have significantly breached the 3 year loss rule. Was that the EFL's fault that we spent substantially more than our income.

5) Was it the EFL's fault we did not try what other clubs have had to do by selling a player or 2, reducing our outgoings or indeed maximising our commercial revenues

The one thing I absolutely know for certain is that if was Sheff U or Leeds U that had done exactly the same the reaction on here from some would be a tad different

The simple truth even if you can't bear it is this was a totally avoidable situation with just a bit of planning and acceptance that the EFL rules were not just pretend. So we have a season that has begun quite brightly now threatened to implode into a potential relegation battle. Whoppee fucking do
mkowl, 18/11/2019 at 17:01


Fair enough mk, to be honest I don't think anyone, not even the most naive businessman, would file a £60m sale, a considerable sum in English footy outside the EPL and very very noticeable, into the year prior accounts, risking a considerable shit storm, this is the EFL smarting at what Mel Morris did to them, they're lashing out at what they think are the nearest stool pigeons. Fuck em!

Here's another thing, hows about we use this as a seige mentality, a trenches attitude, instead of in-fighting and wanting things to go tits up, which is clearly what our c**ts seem to want, I can't stand the twats but Leeds fans would circle the wagons and fight back, as a fanbase we jack it all in and side with the c**ts that have it in for us! Let's get back to what WAWAW stands for and fucking support Wednesday, that includes the chairman. 

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#92 18/11/2019 at 19:40

I think most of us fear the worst whether DC and his advisors think they have a solid case or not. It just feels like the EFL will also be determined to make a point as well, particularly in light of criticism from other EFL clubs about compliance with P&S rules.

The concern will be how proportionate the penalty will be, will it be another case of making a point for anybody else thinking of breaking the rules.

I'd like to think we will be thinking about a contingency plan in case it goes tits up, but what can we do. I'd also like to understand what happen if we do get a penalty, does that mean the 3yr clock starts again?

Given all that, what would others have done differently if you were DC taking over the club when he did with the players and staff we had when he took over, to both get us promoted which he was obviously under the pressure to do but also not end up in the sh1t we appear to be now? 

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#93 18/11/2019 at 19:46

I think most of us fear the worst whether DC and his advisors think they have a solid case or not. It just feels like the EFL will also be determined to make a point as well, particularly in light of criticism from other EFL clubs about compliance with P&S rules.

The concern will be how proportionate the penalty will be, will it be another case of making a point for anybody else thinking of breaking the rules.

I'd like to think we will be thinking about a contingency plan in case it goes tits up, but what can we do. I'd also like to understand what happen if we do get a penalty, does that mean the 3yr clock starts again?

Given all that, what would others have done differently if you were DC taking over the club when he did with the players and staff we had when he took over, to both get us promoted which he was obviously under the pressure to do but also not end up in the sh1t we appear to be now?
Tank_Owl, 18/11/2019 at 19:40



Good point, apparently everyone would have done differently, hindsight and all that eh! 

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#94 18/11/2019 at 20:21



Fair enough mk, to be honest I don't think anyone, not even the most naive businessman, would file a £60m sale, a considerable sum in English footy outside the EPL and very very noticeable, into the year prior accounts, risking a considerable shit storm, this is the EFL smarting at what Mel Morris did to them, they're lashing out at what they think are the nearest stool pigeons. Fuck em!

Here's another thing, hows about we use this as a seige mentality, a trenches attitude, instead of in-fighting and wanting things to go tits up, which is clearly what our c**ts seem to want, I can't stand the twats but Leeds fans would circle the wagons and fight back, as a fanbase we jack it all in and side with the c**ts that have it in for us! Let's get back to what WAWAW stands for and fucking support Wednesday, that includes the chairman.
MPB, 18/11/2019 at 19:13


I won't disagree with that, but I am fucked off because I think it was easily avoidable.

I won't expect you to read OT but in a sea of negativity and slagging off DC I have played with a straight bat to stop some of the hysteria. So apologies for coming on here to vent some grrrr about this. It is born of frustration because what should have been a stabilisation of the Club after what feels like way too long has gone flippin pear shaped.

But if I could help in any way to defend the Club against the EFL I would.

Happy clapping for 4 years more than Emre 

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#95 18/11/2019 at 20:34

I think most of us fear the worst whether DC and his advisors think they have a solid case or not. It just feels like the EFL will also be determined to make a point as well, particularly in light of criticism from other EFL clubs about compliance with P&S rules.

The concern will be how proportionate the penalty will be, will it be another case of making a point for anybody else thinking of breaking the rules.

I'd like to think we will be thinking about a contingency plan in case it goes tits up, but what can we do. I'd also like to understand what happen if we do get a penalty, does that mean the 3yr clock starts again?

Given all that, what would others have done differently if you were DC taking over the club when he did with the players and staff we had when he took over, to both get us promoted which he was obviously under the pressure to do but also not end up in the sh1t we appear to be now?
Tank_Owl, 18/11/2019 at 19:40


I will still revert to that summer after the Wembley play off defeat because that is where the plan to me went awry and the gamble was taken and failed

That transfer window was an absolute shocker in terms of the financial impact but also the players in the main that were brought in were poor. Just think how much Abdi contributed to the deficit to name one.

Ok it's always a gamble with any transfer but far too many mistakes were made. I don't think that is hindsight either I was very critical of the approach at the time. It was then added to with Rhodes, was that transfer necessary and importantly within the Budget.

If you only have an upside budget then sorry that is poor business practice.

It then did not help that Carlos choose not to play them and indeed overplayed some of them.

I hate to say our neighbours got the squad development part right 

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#96 18/11/2019 at 20:44

We have a squad good enough for top 6 IMO. 

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#97 18/11/2019 at 21:06



I won't disagree with that, but I am fucked off because I think it was easily avoidable.

I won't expect you to read OT but in a sea of negativity and slagging off DC I have played with a straight bat to stop some of the hysteria. So apologies for coming on here to vent some grrrr about this. It is born of frustration because what should have been a stabilisation of the Club after what feels like way too long has gone flippin pear shaped.

But if I could help in any way to defend the Club against the EFL I would.

mkowl, 18/11/2019 at 20:21


That's not in question mk, but when it's clearly a witch hunt... 

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#98 18/11/2019 at 22:49



I will still revert to that summer after the Wembley play off defeat because that is where the plan to me went awry and the gamble was taken and failed

That transfer window was an absolute shocker in terms of the financial impact but also the players in the main that were brought in were poor. Just think how much Abdi contributed to the deficit to name one.

Ok it's always a gamble with any transfer but far too many mistakes were made. I don't think that is hindsight either I was very critical of the approach at the time. It was then added to with Rhodes, was that transfer necessary and importantly within the Budget.

If you only have an upside budget then sorry that is poor business practice.

It then did not help that Carlos choose not to play them and indeed overplayed some of them.

I hate to say our neighbours got the squad development part right
mkowl, 18/11/2019 at 20:34


But Abdi wasn't poor was he Mr Hindsight? 

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#99 19/11/2019 at 06:26



But Abdi wasn't poor was he Mr Hindsight?
CDLF, 18/11/2019 at 22:49


Well was he any good Mr Reflection.

My issue was that we sang about building a football team. For all my dislike of Carlos I have to admit in hindsight that first season was successful until the last game and there was some enjoyable football.

However phase 2 should have been about picking out players that could build on that solid base. Younger players not those at the end of their career. It was also the sheer volume of players on the books and then the fact most were not used anyway.

The lack of a plan in respect of the squad and a ruinously expensive one in a failed sprint to get over the line.

So the reason for the financial hole was totally avoidable and indeed the club would probably have a better squad if more considered thinking had gone into it. And I said that at the time  

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#100 19/11/2019 at 06:31



That's not in question mk, but when it's clearly a witch hunt...
MPB, 18/11/2019 at 21:06


I probably disagree it's a witch hunt

The rules were there on FFP to navigate through.

There are several accountants on here and I am not sure any of us if we are honest are comfortable with what we have done.

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#101 19/11/2019 at 06:39

We have a squad good enough for top 6 IMO.
MPB, 18/11/2019 at 20:44


We probably have but despite the fact that right noises will be made by Monk and the players we know its bullshit and that the risk of a points deduction will hang over us now until determined.

Let's be clear the reason a player wants promotion is to get a higher salary. So you will work your arse off with that objective in mind.

If that prize is going to be withdrawn it's only human nature to drop your performance level and indeed concern yourself about whether your contract will be renewed on the same terms.

The slow speed of the disciplinary process is almost as damaging as the end result

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#102 19/11/2019 at 10:06



I probably disagree it's a witch hunt

The rules were there on FFP to navigate through.

There are several accountants on here and I am not sure any of us if we are honest are comfortable with what we have done.

mkowl, 19/11/2019 at 06:31


I’ll keep saying it, if we’ve fucked up and falsely accounted in some way, we deserve to take the strongest punishment going, we’d be saying that if it was another club, but......have we broken any rules? Does anyone actually know? It’s pure speculation and conjecture by everyone, the default position of our mongs is to slang the chairman off, racially insult him and tell him to "get out of our club", all this on the basis of fuck all.

IMO this is Gibson, Mel Morris’ shithousery, the complete clueless fuckwits at the EFL and them wanting a scapegoat.  

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#103 19/11/2019 at 10:38



I’ll keep saying it, if we’ve fucked up and falsely accounted in some way, we deserve to take the strongest punishment going, we’d be saying that if it was another club, but......have we broken any rules? Does anyone actually know? It’s pure speculation and conjecture by everyone, the default position of our mongs is to slang the chairman off, racially insult him and tell him to "get out of our club", all this on the basis of fuck all.

IMO this is Gibson, Mel Morris’ shithousery, the complete clueless fuckwits at the EFL and them wanting a scapegoat.
MPB, 19/11/2019 at 10:06


Sadly this again 😞 

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#104 19/11/2019 at 11:31

Hindsight is not a wonderful thing, its just a thing. We have as a fanbase been through some right old shit and Id agree with MK on this, when DC took over I was hoping we were going to have something of a more steady ship when it came to the finances and investment in the club overall. I'm not denying that he has invested in the club and any further investment would be dependent on getting to the PL, fair enough.

I liked CC but in my view he was the wrong choice. I agree the first season was good and I would say the 2nd was good as well even though the football was much more cautious which ultimately caused the loss over two legs to Cleckuddersfax. In my view the style of football in CCs 2nd season is the style of football that is more likely to get you promoted than the 1st season. I would say only Wolves have got promoted recently by playing stylish football. Thats not to say others havent had games where they played nice stuff but not over the 46 games.

The less we say about Jos the better but we effectively lost a season of potentially challenging by having him at the helm and his stubbornness to pick the experienced players.

So, if it had been me when DC took over I would have looked for someone with a track record of promotions, so SB would have been my choice (despite what we saw recently) and I suspect when DC came in he could have got him because Hull had just got relegated and he was expected to leave because of the turmoil there. However, DC seems determined not to pay compo for a Coach which is odd for me because if you are going to spend money on players why wouldn't you get a Coach that can get the best out of them.

Who else could he have got at the time that would have got us up, with similar credential, not easy Ill admit. I'm not sure on the timing but would Wilder been available - would he have come. Basically we should have gone for someone that knew the EFL and could pick the good youngs 'uns coming through to build on the experienced players we had/ got.

However, the main overriding issue for me wasn't actually the choice of coach it was the player recruitment and the advice DC got from CC or otherwise. The money spunked on JR and JVA in particular is ridiculous. I actually think the majority of fans questioned the signing of JR at the time. Not so many on Abdi, when we signed him I have to say I was pretty impressed, how wrong could I be. However, in hindsight his age should have been a concern, along with Dave Jones. Fletch is a difficult one, I think he has been OK value, but he wasn't properly fit in the 1st season until he got his knee fixed and I wonder if we knew that when we signed him. Him paired with Hooper was superb and even on the brief occasions when paired with FF has been pretty good.

Anyway, DC has got to stick with GM until the end of this season come what may. However, assuming we dont get promoted (or relegated) we need a proper plan for player recruitment for next season when the mass exit comes. It is possible to be competitive in this league without the huge parachute payments, but you have to be spot on with your recruitment and you have to be a unified group, coach, players, fans etc. It might be the siege mentality could be the trick, given all the crap flying about at the moment. I get the feeling GM can inspire that kind of thinking with the clubs he has been at. 

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#105 19/11/2019 at 11:38

We had a steady ship under MM.

Fuck that i want a speedboat bouncing over the waves to the Prem.

May get a bit wet, may be prone tobreaking down or sinking but gimme that lovely sky TV cash and a string of mercenary internationals any day of the week. 

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