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tylluan

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#46 01/12/2019 at 19:30

I believe that when you commit treason or become an enemy combatant against British Forces, it's people or interests, then your rights as a citizen should be revoked.
Andyben, 29/11/2019 at 23:06





You can definitely make a case that British citizens who join Isis could be charged with Treason, which I believe still carries the death penalty? I still think we need to deal with them ourselves though, however we choose to do so. Revocation of citizenship is basically just trying to make them somebody else’s problem, and it is losing us credibility on the international stage.
OWL71, 01/12/2019 at 18:21


Those who joined the British Free Corps in WW2 and survived the Russian front stood trial and served custodial sentences.
The Norwegian's shot those that joined the Nordland division. 

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Andyben

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#47 01/12/2019 at 19:33



You can definitely make a case that British citizens who join Isis could be charged with Treason, which I believe still carries the death penalty? I still think we need to deal with them ourselves though, however we choose to do so. Revocation of citizenship is basically just trying to make them somebody else’s problem, and it is losing us credibility on the international stage.
OWL71, 01/12/2019 at 18:21


Usman Khan successfully passed the rehabilitation process and was granted additional freedoms under his license.

Today, the government and security forces stepped up their interest in people released under similar conditions and a man was arrested in Stoke for preparation for acts of terrorism.

There is no way that any enemy combatants should be accepted in to British society.  

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DPCSF

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#48 01/12/2019 at 23:34



Usman Khan successfully passed the rehabilitation process and was granted additional freedoms under his license.

Today, the government and security forces stepped up their interest in people released under similar conditions and a man was arrested in Stoke for preparation for acts of terrorism.

There is no way that any enemy combatants should be accepted in to British society.
Andyben, 01/12/2019 at 19:33


Was one of the 9 that was arrested for the plot to bomb the LSE along with that wanker from Friday. 

Be water, my friend 

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Andyben

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#49 02/12/2019 at 06:52

Yup. One of the lads released under same conditions as the c**t in Friday  

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CDLF

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#50 02/12/2019 at 11:10

Revoking their citizenship condemns them to a stateless existence but someone else has to wash our dirty laundry for us. Repatriation, trial and imprisonment only works if you never let them out. So we have to rethink our attitudes regarding "rehabilitation"
Build a prison complex on South Georgia and send them there.

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Bradders23

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#51 02/12/2019 at 11:59



Ex cons or convicted terrorists.
Andyben, 29/11/2019 at 23:07


One of those to tackle Khan was a 42 yr old on day release, was done for murdering a 21 year old woman with the mental age of 15.
Slashed her throat, strangled her . Hard to describe him as a hero, he has no right to be walking around, but he probably helped to prevent more deaths. 

Of course there are cracks, that's how the light gets in. 

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Andyben

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#52 02/12/2019 at 12:04

Saw that, Meh.

Huge difference between a person convicted for a single act of violence and a person who's entire dogma is the destruction of an entire country.

Or are you saying people should be locked up indefinitely  

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#53 02/12/2019 at 12:23



One of those to tackle Khan was a 42 yr old on day release, was done for murdering a 21 year old woman with the mental age of 15.
Slashed her throat, strangled her . Hard to describe him as a hero, he has no right to be walking around, but he probably helped to prevent more deaths.
Bradders23, 02/12/2019 at 11:59


Should still be in a cell.  

Consilio et Animis 

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Bradders23

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#54 02/12/2019 at 12:26

Saw that, Meh.

Huge difference between a person convicted for a single act of violence and a person who's entire dogma is the destruction of an entire country.

Or are you saying people should be locked up indefinitely
Andyben, 02/12/2019 at 12:04


I'm not making a comparison tbh. That single act of violence though was evil and the idea of him being thought of as a hero feels wrong, but at the same time it looks like he did a good thing. Generally I believe that rehabilitation is possible but situations like this challenge your views.

Put simply - and I know it's not that simple , if neither of them were on the street, this wouldn't have happened and 2 people would be alive today.

Some people should be locked up indefinitely, Yes. The Huntley's, Wright's etc of this world for sure.
 

Of course there are cracks, that's how the light gets in. 

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#55 02/12/2019 at 12:57

Revoking their citizenship condemns them to a stateless existence but someone else has to wash our dirty laundry for us. Repatriation, trial and imprisonment only works if you never let them out. So we have to rethink our attitudes regarding "rehabilitation"
Build a prison complex on South Georgia and send them there.
CDLF, 02/12/2019 at 11:10


I don't want my taxes being used to look after them though, I'd rather them be used to fund hospitals schools.

We've tried the 'we are civilised, and we should look after our sickos' and it's clearly not working other than making lawyers rich and so we need to rethink our strategy.

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CDLF

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#56 02/12/2019 at 15:03



I don't want my taxes being used to look after them though, I'd rather them be used to fund hospitals schools.

We've tried the 'we are civilised, and we should look after our sickos' and it's clearly not working other than making lawyers rich and so we need to rethink our strategy.

Skamp, 02/12/2019 at 12:57

Fuck your taxes... I'm not advocating luxury...not even comfortable. Just ask yourself one question. Do I trust convicted Muslim terrorists to become decent members of society because a liberal do good marshmallow roaster says it's OK by him. 

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#57 02/12/2019 at 16:17

If you get a chance to listen to the Toby Willliamson interview, you must do it. He describes in great detail, how it happened and who tackled Khan and how. Besides bringing tears to your eyes, it should make you believe that the guy washing pots when it started, Lucasz, should never have to buy a drink for the rest of his life. Just wow...  

Post edited on 02/12/2019 at 16:17 by Bradders23

Of course there are cracks, that's how the light gets in. 

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#58 02/12/2019 at 16:20

Revoking their citizenship condemns them to a stateless existence but someone else has to wash our dirty laundry for us. Repatriation, trial and imprisonment only works if you never let them out. So we have to rethink our attitudes regarding "rehabilitation"
Build a prison complex on South Georgia and send them there.
CDLF, 02/12/2019 at 11:10



Just watched the "Antarctica" episode of Attenborough's Seven Continents series and S Georgia popped up a few times. I'd like to think that we can keep people (criminal, terrorists, or even very nice chaps) away from there. Leave it for the penguins and seals.

As an alternative, I've often though one of the uninhabited Western Isles would make a suitable "prison". Give them free(ish) reign of the island. Let them build their own accommodation and farm the land as the crafters of years ago. If they can't be arsed, well they'll get cold and hungry. No need for tax payer funding buildings or feeding and clothing. No tv, no mobile, no internet. Simple living. Only cost to tax payer: to police the waters, and offender tagging. 

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#59 02/12/2019 at 16:26




Just watched the "Antarctica" episode of Attenborough's Seven Continents series and S Georgia popped up a few times. I'd like to think that we can keep people (criminal, terrorists, or even very nice chaps) away from there. Leave it for the penguins and seals.

As an alternative, I've often though one of the uninhabited Western Isles would make a suitable "prison". Give them free(ish) reign of the island. Let them build their own accommodation and farm the land as the crafters of years ago. If they can't be arsed, well they'll get cold and hungry. No need for tax payer funding buildings or feeding and clothing. No tv, no mobile, no internet. Simple living. Only cost to tax payer: to police the waters, and offender tagging.
WallaceAndGrummitt, 02/12/2019 at 16:20


That’s Australia innit? Bigsmile

Be water, my friend 

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tylluan

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#60 02/12/2019 at 18:20

There's a story by Wally K Daly called 2004 where the Peace Party wins a landslide victory in a General Election because they vow to make the streets safer.
They de-populate Cumbria and decimate all shelter and structures within a 50 mile radius of Sellafield. Then create three zones within that 50 mile area, empty all the jails out, and stick all the criminals in a zone dependant on what you've done.
They're all tagged that burns the closer you get to your outer zone perimeter. It's all powered by the power station but if you get within 100 yards of the gate or cross your perimeter the tag kills you.
If you're in, you're in for life. However short your life may become.
Zone 1 is for class A criminals and is the smallest space and the most overcrowded, initially.
No shelter, no food, you live off what you can find.
Once they've got the jails empty they start sifting through the population. If you shoplifted at 12 you're in zone 2.
It ends with everyone being tagged so the government can always monitor you. 

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