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mkowl

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#271 18/04/2020 at 20:49

Says all we need to know about how the footballing bubble sees things.

Fuck em
Reesh1867, 18/04/2020 at 18:30


Said in the EFL thread not sure I care. The last few months I was getting fed up of the nonsense it had become - certainly at S6. You go to the brass tacks but making whacking financial losses but trying to manipulate accounts, players not playing for whatever fucking reason, fans being herded around after games, all that shit to watch some incredibly dull matches. But it was about the overkill football had become, it's own self importance and justification that normal rules don't apply, the faux drama and hype.

And then when a reality check should hit them there is still the usual gossip pages, this player will earn 200k a week 

Happy clapping for 4 years more than Emre 

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#272 18/04/2020 at 22:41

You’ve got to get a visit to Ponte sorted next time you are over pook
Now that will be an experience
harryspeakup, 18/04/2020 at 09:24


m'all o'er it.  

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#273 18/04/2020 at 23:03



m'all o'er it.
pook, 18/04/2020 at 22:41

Have you thought of working as an interpreter?
Happy

We must not give opposition teams hope. We have to kill them. 

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#274 18/04/2020 at 23:09

I did some behind-the-scenes work back when Pachy used to post here.  

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#275 18/04/2020 at 23:15

I did some behind-the-scenes work back when Pachy used to post here.
pook, 18/04/2020 at 23:09


For us Bigsmile

Consilio et Animis 

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#276 19/04/2020 at 08:58

I ask you will Galway bate Mayo? Not if they have Willie Joe...they haven't a hope of beating Mayo! 

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#277 19/04/2020 at 09:02

Fuck Rick Parry  

Consilio et Animis 

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#278 19/04/2020 at 09:31

Parry is an idiot if he thinks we'll play the remaining nine fixtures behind closed doors. It's just not going to happen. It's also not on to "award" titles, promotion and relegation based on current standings or probable outcomes. As the prize or penalty is circa £120m, there would be a total shitstorm in the courts between the "relegated" PL clubs and any of the top six in the Championship plus others who still nurtured hopes of achieving top six. Then there's players in the "relegated" clubs who have clauses in their contracts dropping their wages.
Karen Brady called it early on...the season has to be abandoned. Call it Will of God of force majeure, there's no alternative. 

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#279 19/04/2020 at 09:35

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#280 19/04/2020 at 09:40



Said in the EFL thread not sure I care. The last few months I was getting fed up of the nonsense it had become - certainly at S6. You go to the brass tacks but making whacking financial losses but trying to manipulate accounts, players not playing for whatever fucking reason, fans being herded around after games, all that shit to watch some incredibly dull matches. But it was about the overkill football had become, it's own self importance and justification that normal rules don't apply, the faux drama and hype.

And then when a reality check should hit them there is still the usual gossip pages, this player will earn 200k a week
mkowl, 18/04/2020 at 20:49


Agreed. Real wakeup call all round.

The PL in particular simply don't give a flying fuck about fans, or football probably, just cash. Hard cash.  

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#281 19/04/2020 at 11:48

There's nothing in the UEFA constitution that says how many games affiliated leagues have to complete in order to declare a season finished. That's why leagues can change club numbers competing.
But there is a point that says affiliated leagues have to supply participants for the UEFA club competitions and that this should be done via the domestic league standings. This is to stop domestic leagues just sending their best teams every year.

So UEFA would have no legal standing if a domestic league, Belgium for example, just declare the season ended, as long as they give UEFA teams for next season's competition.
UEFA may, and I stress, may have a legal standing if a league just voids this season and scraps the positions.

But UEFA is at the mercy of domestic football. It's gravy train is Champions league sponsorship and tv rights. When Belgium declared their league ended it tried to strong arm by threatening the major clubs, not the league, with a five year expulsion from champions league football. But the club's all stuck together and agreed that the current league standings would be the final standings and declared the league finished and not voided.

UEFA is now pleading with Leagues to finish the season but they're not saying how, so leagues could end now providing they're declared finished and not voided.
This way it's only the domestic leagues that would cop the legal ramifications from the club's and not UEFA.
But there's another catch in that UEFA are also running scared of the break away league becoming a reality.
The Italian Government wanted no 20/21 domestic season at all but Juve and the two Milan clubs have already suggested this breaks the league constitution and would be a platform to them leaving Italian domestic football. This why they're now suggesting it starts next March.

The more I think about it, let the money grabbing clubs form their closed shop breakaway euro league. Let UEFA and the PL die on its arse.
Domestic football might benefit from it in the long run.  

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#282 19/04/2020 at 13:26

I wonder how much appetite there is for a European super league.
UEFA want one, no doubt.

Club owners want the money, but do they want to alienate their fans?
Liverpool and Spurs have shown us their priorities with the furloughing of staff. But then about faced under fan pressure. Will the (short term) money gains rule, or will clubs be guided by fans? How will the Chelsea owners feel as the team prop up the league with Ajax and Shaktar with a half empty stadium as the success accustomed fans stay away?

Do the fans want it? Will Barcelona, Munich, Milan quickly lose its appeal? Will the travel to these places for away games quickly become a turn off? One of the season’s highlights used to be the Arsenal fans’ tears as they finish second in the Premier. Image finishing mid table and lower against Europe’s elite. There will be very few fans remaining, mainly football tourists. And as fans lose interest, so the TV revenues will decrease.

The more I think about it, the more I want it to happen: for all the wrong reasons. But for those same reasons, I think the big clubs, and their fans, will also turn away from the idea. 

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#283 19/04/2020 at 14:26

Shirt sponsorship deals will cause a shit storm.
Liverpool due to change shirt sponsors before end of the supposed extended season so will new sponsors have their names plastered worldwide on the champions shirts or will the old sponsors take legal action for theirs to be featured. Watch Bin divers TV for updates. 

Fuck 'em. This city will always be ours. 

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#284 19/04/2020 at 15:01

There's nothing in the UEFA constitution that says how many games affiliated leagues have to complete in order to declare a season finished. That's why leagues can change club numbers competing.
But there is a point that says affiliated leagues have to supply participants for the UEFA club competitions and that this should be done via the domestic league standings. This is to stop domestic leagues just sending their best teams every year.

So UEFA would have no legal standing if a domestic league, Belgium for example, just declare the season ended, as long as they give UEFA teams for next season's competition.
UEFA may, and I stress, may have a legal standing if a league just voids this season and scraps the positions.

But UEFA is at the mercy of domestic football. It's gravy train is Champions league sponsorship and tv rights. When Belgium declared their league ended it tried to strong arm by threatening the major clubs, not the league, with a five year expulsion from champions league football. But the club's all stuck together and agreed that the current league standings would be the final standings and declared the league finished and not voided.

UEFA is now pleading with Leagues to finish the season but they're not saying how, so leagues could end now providing they're declared finished and not voided.
This way it's only the domestic leagues that would cop the legal ramifications from the club's and not UEFA.
But there's another catch in that UEFA are also running scared of the break away league becoming a reality.
The Italian Government wanted no 20/21 domestic season at all but Juve and the two Milan clubs have already suggested this breaks the league constitution and would be a platform to them leaving Italian domestic football. This why they're now suggesting it starts next March.

The more I think about it, let the money grabbing clubs form their closed shop breakaway euro league. Let UEFA and the PL die on its arse.
Domestic football might benefit from it in the long run.
tylluan, 19/04/2020 at 11:48

Fine by me.  

We must not give opposition teams hope. We have to kill them. 

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#285 19/04/2020 at 19:22

I wonder how much appetite there is for a European super league.
UEFA want one, no doubt.

Club owners want the money, but do they want to alienate their fans?
Liverpool and Spurs have shown us their priorities with the furloughing of staff. But then about faced under fan pressure. Will the (short term) money gains rule, or will clubs be guided by fans? How will the Chelsea owners feel as the team prop up the league with Ajax and Shaktar with a half empty stadium as the success accustomed fans stay away?

Do the fans want it? Will Barcelona, Munich, Milan quickly lose its appeal? Will the travel to these places for away games quickly become a turn off? One of the season’s highlights used to be the Arsenal fans’ tears as they finish second in the Premier. Image finishing mid table and lower against Europe’s elite. There will be very few fans remaining, mainly football tourists. And as fans lose interest, so the TV revenues will decrease.

The more I think about it, the more I want it to happen: for all the wrong reasons. But for those same reasons, I think the big clubs, and their fans, will also turn away from the idea.
WallaceAndGrummitt, 19/04/2020 at 13:26


If there's a European super league then it won't be run by UEFA. It'll be the clubs themselves which is why it'll be a closed shop. UEFA would have to change its whole constitution to accommodate a closed league and that would need every single affiliated club voting on it, via their domestic leagues. All EFL clubs carry UEFA affiliation that's why we adhere to some form of P&S.

If the top clubs get enough money through tv rites and sponsorship to attract the top players and make this viable then the fan base wouldn't matter as such. It's the global tv that would matter.
UEFA/FIFA would retaliate by banning any player in this league from playing International football but would that matter to a player on 700k a week? Ask those that went to play in China.

It would end up being like the IPL with player auctions each season. Clubs would end up with a real version of fantasy football.
There would still be a global audience and it would give one of the new boys, like Amazon, throwing a lot of money at it to secure global tv coverage.
Fan based revenue amounts to about 20% of the revenue of Liverpool and Man Utd. Even less for PSG who can't sell out their ground for domestic games.
But if Amazon wanted full capacities then tickets would be set cheaply like the IPL, in order to maintain the image.

The PL would have to completely restructure and a lot of the current teams might not survive. It might try and 'invite' teams like Celtic, Rangers, to try and keep some semblance of sponsorship Interest and then structure a PL2.
But I could see the EFL becoming a more dominant force, it's already the 4th highest attended and 3rd most profitable league in Europe and that's without any UEFA participation, and probably the dissolving of the PL after a couple of years and a return to div1, div2, etc. 

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#286 20/04/2020 at 08:32

Is it just me that’s enjoying seeing all Football’s governing bodies absolutely shitting themselves?

I hope the whole house of cards gets flattened and shat on! 

PARRY CAN GO F@#* HIMSELF!! 

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#287 20/04/2020 at 10:29

Is it just me that’s enjoying seeing all Football’s governing bodies absolutely shitting themselves?

I hope the whole house of cards gets flattened and shat on!
MPB, 20/04/2020 at 08:32


Are you including Sky in that comment?
I hope their house gets flattened too. 

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#288 20/04/2020 at 11:00

Absolutely, im hoping Sky play a part in bringing the whole fucking shitshow down first before they implode though.  

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PARRY CAN GO F@#* HIMSELF!! 

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#289 20/04/2020 at 11:00

Its a right old mess across all levels of football and do fear for a lot of clubs. Obviously a little less those at the top of the tree.

From a Wednesday perspective how much at risk do people believe we are in. We have players on probably a fair old whack still receiving 100% of wages for not doing anything. Appreciate the season may recommence but will undoubtedly be behind closed doors thus games with no income and the same wages going out.

From a fans perspective will the club give pro rata refunds to season ticket holders for the 4/5 games again impacting on incomings v outgoings? This alone will make a mockery of FFP. On a more important front for a lot of fans they have purchased season tickets to a ridiculously early deadline and thus paid out money that could be ill afforded especially as we may be many many months away from the season 2020/21 commencing. Not saying I am affected but there will be families spending £1 to £2K in some instances.  

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#290 20/04/2020 at 11:19

Paying players 100% for not doing anything? Think we should be more prepared than most for that.  

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#291 20/04/2020 at 11:59

Its a right old mess across all levels of football and do fear for a lot of clubs. Obviously a little less those at the top of the tree.

From a Wednesday perspective how much at risk do people believe we are in. We have players on probably a fair old whack still receiving 100% of wages for not doing anything. Appreciate the season may recommence but will undoubtedly be behind closed doors thus games with no income and the same wages going out.

From a fans perspective will the club give pro rata refunds to season ticket holders for the 4/5 games again impacting on incomings v outgoings? This alone will make a mockery of FFP. On a more important front for a lot of fans they have purchased season tickets to a ridiculously early deadline and thus paid out money that could be ill afforded especially as we may be many many months away from the season 2020/21 commencing. Not saying I am affected but there will be families spending £1 to £2K in some instances.
Hirsty's 12th Pint, 20/04/2020 at 11:00


I think the club will release anyone out of contract on 30th June unless there is some obligation to finish the fixtures (unlikely) and will probably try and negotiate a revised pay structure to anyone still under contract. Released players aren't going to be able to just walk into other teams however good they are because everyone will be in the same boat. If and when we get going again it will make Monk's rebuilding job a lot easier and certainly more challenging.
Every club will have to bend over backwards to recoup their fan base because there will be many (like me) who are getting used to the idea of life without football especially as I was getting very disillusioned with the players and their greed. I predict a huge drop in season ticket sales in the short term so perhaps the POTG whingers may get their wish for reduced prices. Bet they'll still pick and choose their games though. 

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#292 20/04/2020 at 12:03

Is it just me that’s enjoying seeing all Football’s governing bodies absolutely shitting themselves?

I hope the whole house of cards gets flattened and shat on!
MPB, 20/04/2020 at 08:32


This

The Wednesday  

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#293 20/04/2020 at 13:15



I think the club will release anyone out of contract on 30th June unless there is some obligation to finish the fixtures (unlikely) and will probably try and negotiate a revised pay structure to anyone still under contract. Released players aren't going to be able to just walk into other teams however good they are because everyone will be in the same boat. If and when we get going again it will make Monk's rebuilding job a lot easier and certainly more challenging.
Every club will have to bend over backwards to recoup their fan base because there will be many (like me) who are getting used to the idea of life without football especially as I was getting very disillusioned with the players and their greed. I predict a huge drop in season ticket sales in the short term so perhaps the POTG whingers may get their wish for reduced prices. Bet they'll still pick and choose their games though.
CDLF, 20/04/2020 at 11:59



Monk will put us in League One, the fuckin fraud will set us back 10 years!

Sack Monk now!!! 

Post edited on 20/04/2020 at 13:16 by MPB

PARRY CAN GO F@#* HIMSELF!! 

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#294 20/04/2020 at 16:22

Just finished reading a very good book by Henry Winter called “50 years of hurt”, which is an insightful look into England’s underachievement since 66.

Anyway, Waddle is in it quoted as saying he hopes the Premier League goes bust so football can re-set itself and start again. 

Up The Owls 

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#295 20/04/2020 at 18:40

Paying players 100% for not doing anything? Think we should be more prepared than most for that.
LiamOwl, 20/04/2020 at 11:19

Bigsmile

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#296 20/04/2020 at 18:55

The EFL has launched an investigation into potential misconduct with regards to the takeover of Charlton Athletic by East Street Investments, throwing the club's ownership into further doubt.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.skysport s.com/amp/football/news/11095/11976052/ch arlton-athletic-takeover-by-east-street-i nvestments-under-investigation-by-efl

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#297 20/04/2020 at 18:57

Wouldn’t it be quicker and easier to list the clubs that are not under investigation?  

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#298 20/04/2020 at 21:41

Just finished reading a very good book by Henry Winter called “50 years of hurt”, which is an insightful look into England’s underachievement since 66.

Anyway, Waddle is in it quoted as saying he hopes the Premier League goes bust so football can re-set itself and start again.
HirstysHiTecBoots, 20/04/2020 at 16:22


Think it won't just be football resetting itself 

Post edited on 20/04/2020 at 21:46 by Lee

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#299 20/04/2020 at 21:52

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020 /apr/20/efl-to-consider-keeping-transfer- window-open-to-help-struggling-clubs

Proposal to let the August transfer window last up to and including January to be considered by EFL... 

I ask you will Galway bate Mayo? Not if they have Willie Joe...they haven't a hope of beating Mayo! 

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#300 20/04/2020 at 22:14

What's the point, Franco?

With income so masslvely down, any transfer fees will fuck a club up for P&S

They really don't think things through do they.

Not a criticism of you btw, just the EFL

By the way, anyone tried reading the EFL accounts... 

Post edited on 20/04/2020 at 22:15 by Andyben

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