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#1 28/05/2020 at 11:43

Hello everyone.

As some of you may already know, we’re in the process of setting up a new Sheffield Wednesday Supporters’ Trust and we are now formally recognised by the Football Supporters’ Association – something that the club had been lacking (until now we were one of the few Championship clubs without one).

This will give fans a stronger voice and our aim is to establish better connections with Sheffield Wednesday, providing effective, positive dialogue between club and fans for the benefit of everyone associated with the Owls. You can find out more information, including a detailed FAQ section and notes from previous meetings, at swfctrust.co.uk.

The formal process began back in March and since then the interim board have been working on the administration needed to become a registered Trust. We’ve made great progress and are now in a position to move to our next stage – gathering as wide a range of opinions as possible to help inform our policies, as we build up to a full launch when we will begin accepting memberships.

With this in mind, we’ve launched the first in a series of surveys looking at different aspects of the club. We want to reach as many fans as possible, so the administrators of this site have kindly allowed us to post a link to the survey.

This is a huge chance for you to have your say on the state of Sheffield Wednesday. We welcome all views and your responses to this series of surveys really will influence the direction the Trust takes and any dialogue we have with the club.

First up, we’d like your views on club governance and ticket prices.

Click here to take the survey

We wanted to post this on here yesterday but there was a hitch with registering on the site, so apologies for the delay and thanks for your time. 

Building a new Sheffield Wednesday Supporters’ Trust. Find out more: swfctrust.co.uk 

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Reesh1867

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#2 28/05/2020 at 12:06

Nope

Off you fuck 

Consilio et Animis 

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#3 28/05/2020 at 12:07

Are “Wednesdayite” involved with this new trust? 

It’s down to you now Garry!!! OH, AND FUCK THE EFL!!!! 

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Bradders23

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#4 28/05/2020 at 12:16

From the website these are the head honcho's - the only one I can see who might be controversial is the WOMT guy IIRC some of his tweets havent gone down well on here. On the plus side, No Wednesdayite/Short's involved as far as I can see.

James Silverwood - James is a season ticket holder and Lecturer in Emerging Markets at Coventry University
Ian Brandwood - Ian is a HR Director and has been a season ticket holder for over 40 years.
Steve Walmsley - Steve is the editor of the WOMT fanzine and a season ticket holder
Tom Scott - Tom is a season ticket holder and Digital Marketer
Other Founder Members
Jenni Smith - Jenni has been a kop season ticket holder for more than 30 years and is a Marketing Leader in the Civil Service
Tom Hocking - Tom has been a season ticket holder for over 20 years and is the Deputy Editor of the WSC magazine. 

Of course there are cracks, that's how the light gets in. 

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Reesh1867

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#5 28/05/2020 at 12:39

How have they got the positions so far?

Seems a bag of bollocks and to be honest that Walmsley bloke is a fucking wanker.  

Consilio et Animis 

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#6 28/05/2020 at 12:48

They're looking for a treasurer Reesh.

Get yourself in there.  

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Reesh1867

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#7 28/05/2020 at 12:55

They're looking for a treasurer Reesh.

Get yourself in there.
Skamp, 28/05/2020 at 12:48



I'd rather shit in my hands mate.  

Consilio et Animis 

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#8 28/05/2020 at 12:57

I wish them well and let them got on with it

If you don't like this thing then don't get involved

Seems simple to me  

Happy clapping for 4 years more than Emre 

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#9 28/05/2020 at 13:05

How have they got the positions so far?

Seems a bag of bollocks and to be honest that Walmsley bloke is a fucking wanker.
Reesh1867, 28/05/2020 at 12:39


Tbf Reesh like any of these things somebody has to start it somehow.

So you can't get to phase 2 - have elections and all that shizzle without someone having done the shizzle in phase 1

So the same accusation was levelled at WTID IIRC - who the fuck are these people and what authority do they have.

So its not for you, not for me either these days but having done this sort of thing in the past not going to knock others for wanting to do same type of thing


I was disillusioned back then with that board and I can understand why others have concerns about how we are now run today  

Happy clapping for 4 years more than Emre 

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#10 28/05/2020 at 13:15

I don't want to read about it on here though Kev, that Walmsley bloke is an entitled cockwomble and they've already cosied up to Wednesdayite, two big red flags.


Fuck em.  

Consilio et Animis 

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#11 28/05/2020 at 13:18

I don't want to read about it on here though Kev, that Walmsley bloke is an entitled cockwomble and they've already cosied up to Wednesdayite, two big red flags.


Fuck em.
Reesh1867, 28/05/2020 at 13:15


Someone's got their G String in a twist. 😂😂 

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#12 28/05/2020 at 13:30

Just to add to Reesh's comments.

The WOTM bloke has axes to grind with DC, sending open letters to the club etc and looks to be a grade A tool. That alone killed off my initial interest and when they announced the tie up with WendyShyte, i was out 100%.

Still I got thesurvey, but the questions are pre-loaded with bias towads the outcome they want.

Tickets to expensive & DC is clueless

There is scope for a neutral fans' group but this certainly aint it.

Kev - would you consider reanimating WTID to serve a truly independentmandate towards bringing the club & fans closer?

EDIT: In fact, we've already got a platform and potentially 17k twitter followers to make this effective. Give Terry something to do...  

Post edited on 28/05/2020 at 13:33 by Andyben

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#13 28/05/2020 at 13:54



Someone's got their G String in a twist. 😂😂
Hirsty's 12th Pint, 28/05/2020 at 13:18


Pipe down Proclaimer 

Consilio et Animis 

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#14 28/05/2020 at 14:10

I've said it on the other two threads.
To jump straight in with a survey around the financials and governance (on and off field) is a non starter. The questionnaire is also simplified and loaded to give a neutral to negative response towards the club, especially given the results we've had since Christmas and the on going EFL situation.
If we were currently say in automatic promotion you'd have a completely different set of answers.

I would have expected better from a digital marketeer, a marketing leader, and a HR director.

Sample question. "The English Football League's rules are at fault for Sheffield Wednesday's financial situation"
You're asking someone to answer on two topics they probably know Jack all about.
We've qualified accountants, most who run their own businesses, on this site that fine tooth comb the accounts when they come out each year so the rest of us understand but I doubt anyone has wasted time trying to acquaint those accounts to this
https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl- rules--regulations/appendix-5---financial -fair-play-regulations/www
Even EFL members don't know what it means fully otherwise no one would be in possible breach.
Can you explain the Championship club exemptions or what 'football fortunes' means in relation to EFL governance?

Then you have questions around whether the team has improved since DC got here and since 2016 and then questions around ticket prices. Most fans equate team improvement to brass spent and ticket prices are always too much of you're watching shit football.

At the moment we have a benevolent dictator in charge of our club spending his own money and, as far as we're aware, not borrowing millions from third parties to do it.
And you want to jump straight in with "dear Mr Chansiri. We've canvassed fan opinion and the results are get your cheque book out again to buy better players but we're not prepared to pay more than £25 a ticket for it".

Chansiri hasn't done the fans forums since 2018 because he got fed up of being shouted at. Have you actually introduced yourself to the club and asked what they'd like from you?

If you really want this to get off the ground then I respectfully suggest you canvas other FSA trusts to see how they got started and how much influence they have.
Can I suggest Wimbledon, Rotherham, Man City and Notts County.

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#15 28/05/2020 at 14:11

Please don't think that I'm defending them, I'm not and I won't be getting involved but havent they made the point that they met with Wednesdayite, decided to go their separate ways and have no dealings with them, other than maybe community stuff?

I did think the WOTM guy would switch folk off though, I've seen his tweets and he does endlessly dig at DC.  

Of course there are cracks, that's how the light gets in. 

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#16 28/05/2020 at 18:17

this ain’t gonna work, the whole thing is geared to ousting the chairman, OK, they get their wish, DC walks away, then what the fuck are the other options? Have a think about you set of c**ts (the Trust that is). 

It’s down to you now Garry!!! OH, AND FUCK THE EFL!!!! 

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#17 28/05/2020 at 18:27

Just to add to Reesh's comments.

The WOTM bloke has axes to grind with DC, sending open letters to the club etc and looks to be a grade A tool. That alone killed off my initial interest and when they announced the tie up with WendyShyte, i was out 100%.

Still I got thesurvey, but the questions are pre-loaded with bias towads the outcome they want.

Tickets to expensive & DC is clueless

There is scope for a neutral fans' group but this certainly aint it.

Kev - would you consider reanimating WTID to serve a truly independentmandate towards bringing the club & fans closer?

EDIT: In fact, we've already got a platform and potentially 17k twitter followers to make this effective. Give Terry something to do...
Andyben, 28/05/2020 at 13:30


Still got the Ltd company - dormant

However not personally going to get involved in anything - too much real life work to do and geographically it wouldn't work.

However if anybody wants the company they can have it for nowt  

Happy clapping for 4 years more than Emre 

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#18 28/05/2020 at 18:30

I did ponder the Sheffield Wednesday Supporters Club idea a few years ago which is my middle of the road idea that I personally think is preferable. No politics, concentrate on the mundane matters of supporter experience, doing stuff around Matchday

Happy clapping for 4 years more than Emre 

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#19 28/05/2020 at 18:44

Thats it.

Be nice, open dialogue with fans & club.

Provide a platform for outing idiots like Price of Football, Stir Bias etc 

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#20 28/05/2020 at 18:58

They're looking for a treasurer Reesh.

Get yourself in there.
Skamp, 28/05/2020 at 12:48



LOL 

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#21 31/05/2020 at 14:13

Hello,

Firstly, a massive thank you to everyone who has filled in the first survey so far. We’ve had over 1,300 respondents, giving their varied views on club governance and ticket prices.

If you haven’t already filled it in, you have until midday on Monday to do so. This is a great opportunity to air your views – we are listening.

Click here to fill in the survey

Once it is closed we will begin analysing the results, which we will then share with you all.

As we’ve mentioned, this is the first in a series of surveys. The next one, which will cover the matchday experience and what you would like to see from a Supporters’ Trust, will be released soon – we will post it on here when it is live.

We also really appreciate the comments and discussions that have happened on both this thread and the other one – as expected, there has been a wide range of opinions on both the club and the Trust. We welcome criticism and it will all be taken into account as we move forward to form policies and build up to recruiting members.

If you want more information on the Supporters’ Trust then feel free to head to our website, where there is a detailed list of FAQs as well as past board minutes. There’s also an opportunity to sign up to our mailing list, to make sure you stay up to date on the Trust’s activities. 

Building a new Sheffield Wednesday Supporters’ Trust. Find out more: swfctrust.co.uk 

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Reesh1867

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#22 31/05/2020 at 14:24

Go fuck yourselves


Which of your current set up is behind this account, if its Walmsley I'd like to say from the bottom of my heart I think you're an absolute knobhead and you need to fuck off.  

Consilio et Animis 

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#23 31/05/2020 at 14:35

I fail to see the point of all this ,they have no money and no power . I think that they must be suffering from " Lockdown Fever "  

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#24 31/05/2020 at 17:01

It’s your typical Animal Farm scenario  

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#25 31/05/2020 at 17:13

You saying the trust are actually pigs? Ninja

It’s down to you now Garry!!! OH, AND FUCK THE EFL!!!! 

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#26 31/05/2020 at 17:15

You saying the trust are actually pigs? Ninja
MPB, 31/05/2020 at 17:13


BigsmileThumbsup

This is the last time I'm painting on a grin. 

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#27 31/05/2020 at 18:18

Hello,

Firstly, a massive thank you to everyone who has filled in the first survey so far. We’ve had over 1,300 respondents, giving their varied views on club governance and ticket prices.

As we’ve mentioned, this is the first in a series of surveys. The next one, which will cover the matchday experience and what you would like to see from a Supporters’ Trust, will be released soon – we will post it on here when it is live.
SWFCTrust, 31/05/2020 at 14:13


Serious question.
Are the next two surveys coming off the back of comments made on here and other forums?
If so then be open about it. Hold your hands up and say maybe we got the first one wrong and you might win a few more over.

Cos I'd have thought "what would you like to see from a supporters Trust" would have been the first question sent out. That way you could adapt to those you wish to join, rather than seemingly (if most comments across all forums suggest) push an agenda that could be deemed as anti club and which one of the interim board already has previous in pursuing. 

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#28 31/05/2020 at 18:31

Exactly, Ty.

"This is our vision, but what do you want to see" is a far more powerful message than sending out preloaded surveys in an effort to substantiate and empower yourself 

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#29 31/05/2020 at 19:06

Completed it, but sense it might be used to criticize DC and pricing. He will price things in whatever way he thinks is best, after investing tens of millions I think he has that right. 

I'll never buy from AXA again! 

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#30 31/05/2020 at 19:57

I've also noticed there's a distinct lack of challenge to what's been said on here and even on Stalk.
We're your potential recruitment base but you're not doing anything to promote or change our point of view. This just reinforces the view of insularity.
I take it that it's Tom Hocking that's posting, as he's the one linked to the communication and engagement pieces in the board minutes.
However, this is minuted in the last set.
Appointment of Spokespeople
Agreed to ‘park’ this conversation until the work on the Communications and Engagement Strategy has been completed.

So I'll address Tom directly.
This is a forum mate. You can see its full of debate and most of it is well thought out and relevant. So don't just write "We welcome criticism and it will all be taken into account." Debate with us. Put your case forward as to why and try and win us over. To say you welcome criticism but not to challenge it just says you're giving it a cursory nod but it's not going to change much.

I'll take one more piece from your last post.
"...as we move forward to form policies and build up to recruiting members."
surely it should be the other way round. Form a membership that can vote on policies? Because, at the moment, it's just the six of you voting and that's a closed shop. You run the risk, as many on here are already highlighting, that the policies you six agree on could seriously marginalise your membership uptake and just attract those that agree with you.
A trust is supposed to be representative of all fans.

I sincerely hope you post back, Tom, even if you create a personal account to do it with.
As others have posted, this has an opportunity to gain legs but at the moment you're running before crawling and in completely the wrong direction.

In the meantime I look forward to reading the minutes of last Tuesday's board meeting. I thought they would have been up by now, seeing as you have to publish them as part of the FCA regulations.

And I hope the team building is going well.
"In terms of board development agreed we need to focus on team building and governance." 

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