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#121 25/06/2020 at 09:15

Given the dearth of quality never mind quantity of players available to us, getting rid of Bannan - by far our most skilful and creative player - would be madness.
Baresi, 25/06/2020 at 08:15



He may be the most creative but in a 4-4-2 with him ball and chained to Pelupessy, he’s easily nullified, however, in a 3-5-2 other midfielders take the slack and Bannan thrives in his role. 

It’s down to you now Garry!!! OH, AND FUCK THE EFL!!!! 

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Baresi

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#122 25/06/2020 at 09:34

The answer then is to get better players around him and a system he can thrive in and be more effective further up the park.
He isn't the problem. The lesser players who don't work or want the ball anywhere near as much as Bannan, and are happy to dump the ball off to him to do their job instead are the problem. 

I ask you will Galway bate Mayo? Not if they have Willie Joe...they haven't a hope of beating Mayo! 

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Andyben

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#123 25/06/2020 at 10:08

The answer then is to get better players around him and a system he can thrive in and be more effective further up the park.
He isn't the problem. The lesser players who don't work or want the ball anywhere near as much as Bannan, and are happy to dump the ball off to him to do their job instead are the problem.


Proud mum at her soldier son's passing out ceremony

"Look that's my little Johnny, why are all the other soldiers marching out of step"

Bannan doesn't have the positional discipline to be an effective central midfielder, and doesn't have the skills or capacity to play as a '10'

Edit: Franco, we can't afford better players, so perhaps selling him would be in the club's best interests? 

Post edited on 25/06/2020 at 10:12 by Andyben

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Laceups.

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#124 25/06/2020 at 10:15

Given the dearth of quality never mind quantity of players available to us, getting rid of Bannan - by far our most skilful and creative player - would be madness.
Baresi, 25/06/2020 at 08:15


Not for the right price and replaced with a freebie. 

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#125 25/06/2020 at 10:31



Fletcher's arrival did it for Forestieri.

Paid too much, effectively lost his place in team or played out of position to accomodate him.All went downhill for him.

Should have built a side around him & Hooper
Andyben, 24/06/2020 at 22:17


Hooper didn't kick a ball for over a year!  

I'll never buy from AXA again! 

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WednesdaysChild

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#126 25/06/2020 at 10:34

Given the dearth of quality never mind quantity of players available to us, getting rid of Bannan - by far our most skilful and creative player - would be madness.
Baresi, 25/06/2020 at 08:15


Totally agree. We need to keep what quality we have. 

I'll never buy from AXA again! 

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#127 25/06/2020 at 10:50

Bannan's most productive spell was in that first season when he played on the left. He even got back in the Scotland team.
When he plays in the middle, as Andy suggests, he never seems to keep shape. He's taking it off defenders toes or getting in the way of Harris.
I don't know if he's told to do this but it leaves gaps.
Then there's the whole 'everything goes through him' scenario.
Andy's graph, on the Forest thread, shows how little the ball was crossed in from wide but also how many times the wide men passed back inside and backwards.
Bannan's receive rate in the Forest game is twice as much as any other midfielder. Yet we had Wickham on the pitch for his arial abilities and Rhodes to sniff out the seconds.
Doing this condences the playing area and allows defenders to regroup.
Then there's the 40 yard cross field passes that hang in the air as long as Michael Jordan.

If we're going to play more direct, as 3-5-2 suggests then Bannan doesn't work.
But a middle three of Luongo, Lee, and Windass would have.
Would Bannan have played if Windass was fit?

Luongo, Lee, and Hunt will also work.  

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#128 25/06/2020 at 10:57

I feel that the general consensus is, that Bannan shouldn't be in the team as we now have others who can do a better job?

How would you continue to play with Bannan in the team or is it now a case of moving on from him? 

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WednesdaysChild

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#129 25/06/2020 at 11:27

Bannan's most productive spell was in that first season when he played on the left. He even got back in the Scotland team.
When he plays in the middle, as Andy suggests, he never seems to keep shape. He's taking it off defenders toes or getting in the way of Harris.
I don't know if he's told to do this but it leaves gaps.
Then there's the whole 'everything goes through him' scenario.
Andy's graph, on the Forest thread, shows how little the ball was crossed in from wide but also how many times the wide men passed back inside and backwards.
Bannan's receive rate in the Forest game is twice as much as any other midfielder. Yet we had Wickham on the pitch for his arial abilities and Rhodes to sniff out the seconds.
Doing this condences the playing area and allows defenders to regroup.
Then there's the 40 yard cross field passes that hang in the air as long as Michael Jordan.

If we're going to play more direct, as 3-5-2 suggests then Bannan doesn't work.
But a middle three of Luongo, Lee, and Windass would have.
Would Bannan have played if Windass was fit?

Luongo, Lee, and Hunt will also work.
tylluan, 25/06/2020 at 10:50


Surely it a bit of a risk building your midfield around, Lee only signed on for another month and many say his legs have gone, Windass a loan player and Luongo, who often is injured or doesn't get in the side (Hutch got more games in than him ad we know all about his appearances)? 

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I'll never buy from AXA again! 

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#130 25/06/2020 at 12:06

All we are doing is highlight how poor our midfield really is. I’ve always maintained that since Carlos, it’s been unbalanced and lacking elements such as pace and power, and beyond Kieran Lee, goals.

As has been said, Bannan was at his best wide left in a four.
Hutch, whilst being a great stopper, didn’t influence things up the pitch.
Lee was the only one truly box to box.

So, these are all things that need to be addressed. Lee, he’s been a great player, but we need an upgrade. A Mo Diame type player who can get us up the pitch (Josh Onomah was that player):
Luongo seems good enough to break things up. Hunt MIGHT be a good option, but it’s too early to tell.
Windass would be perfect to be the player to break lines in a three or even as a 10.

For me that means. We need someone to put pressure on Luongo or even play alongside him when we play better sides. We need a replacement for Lee. We need someone to do a Windass role if it isn’t Windass. And that’s before we even look at addressing the lack of a striker or the fact that we need more width.

That’s a lot of money, or a lot of loans...

Given the clear out, we need to be signing players to fit a plan and a way of playing, which hasn’t happened since DC came in.  

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#131 25/06/2020 at 12:12



A lot of this is probably down to the coach not being in full control of player recruitment. Chansiri had Pearson and Roeder when he first took over then Carlos, Amadeu, and Doyen turned up.
Carlos had a way of playing (he'd written a book) but then strange signings turned up that didn't fit in that way.
Then came the two players for every position debacle.
Jos decided to play the kids rather than the over staffing he inherited, maybe because he thought he could mould them better to his way of thinking. I'm pretty certain he wasn't involved in any signings during his stint.

Bruce brought his own recruitment team in and it showed promise. I actually think we'd have been getting rid of the same players If Bruce had stayed. He likes his own players and we'd have seen more ins and outs in January as well.

Monk was left with a hotchpotch of Chansiri/Paixao buys and Bruce incomings. He's done nothing with them.
He'll still be around At the start of next season so it'll be an interesting transfer window and pre season.
But, as others have pointed out, he's not exactly made astute signings in the past. Anyone who spunks £14m and £40k a week on Assimbalonga and £10m on Martin Braithwaite needs their bumps feeling
tylluan, 25/06/2020 at 08:20


While I agree he's crap.
He's not done bad for himself.... 

13.11.2010 at 20.51 emre...tbh, Hoylands goal gave me a semi 

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#132 25/06/2020 at 12:21

Apparently it is not a clear out as such in as much as some of them declined the offer on the table thinking they may get a better deal elsewhere. That is their choice and our choice is whether to keep the offer open. 

Fuck 'em. This city will always be ours. 

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CDLF

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#133 25/06/2020 at 12:48

Apparently it is not a clear out as such in as much as some of them declined the offer on the table thinking they may get a better deal elsewhere. That is their choice and our choice is whether to keep the offer open.
bricat, 25/06/2020 at 12:21


No way bri...last thing we want is players only here for the cash. Wednesday don't do sloppy seconds. 

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#134 25/06/2020 at 13:07

If the deadline for resigning our players passed on Tuesday, does that not apply to our loan players? What rule or deadline applies for a) The rest of this extended season, and b) Next Season, whenever that is.  

We must not give opposition teams hope. We have to kill them. 

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#135 25/06/2020 at 14:21

If the deadline for resigning our players passed on Tuesday, does that not apply to our loan players? What rule or deadline applies for a) The rest of this extended season, and b) Next Season, whenever that is.
Owling_Wolf, 25/06/2020 at 13:07


Have you been reading my mind....Mystic Fred! 

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