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tylluan

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#1 29/06/2020 at 19:37

So after years of going up against ex pros with less qualifications for full time coaching roles in professional clubs and losing out. Then being asked by the same clubs to come in for a month or two about six months later.
I now have to contend with BAME players getting a preferential entry into the pro club coaching system.

So a snotty 18 year old can get a paid coaching placement provided he's got a full professional playing contract and a UEFA B licence and they're a member of the PFA. Every kid on a club's books at 17 is put through their B licence. They're practically handed to you on a plate at academy level.
Semi pro players, even at Conference level, aren't included.

Then they want to fast track them through their A licence using the Elite Level Coaching Group, of whose courses I help out on, to make sure they achieve it.

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/120 17382/pl-pfa-and-efl-launch-bame-coach-pl acement-scheme

It's a shit idea and totally ignores the thousands of ethnic minority grassroots coaches who already have a wealth of experience.

It will also create a level of pro club coaches that will be 'inbred' by the fast tracking and being virtually given their badges. Academies in five years time will be full of coaches that are only there in order to fulfil a quota.

Paul Ince hasn't got a job, or been interviewed, because he's got a crap managerial record, not because of his colour.
Sol Campbell hasn't exactly warranted a step up to where he thinks he should be.
Keith Curle and Darren Moore are at that level for a reason.

Nuno is at Wolves because of his previous excellent track record in coaching (and because he's a client of Mendes) not because of his colour 

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#2 29/06/2020 at 19:52

So after years of going up against ex pros with less qualifications for full time coaching roles in professional clubs and losing out. Then being asked by the same clubs to come in for a month or two about six months later.
I now have to contend with BAME players getting a preferential entry into the pro club coaching system.

So a snotty 18 year old can get a paid coaching placement provided he's got a full professional playing contract and a UEFA B licence and they're a member of the PFA. Every kid on a club's books at 17 is put through their B licence. They're practically handed to you on a plate at academy level.
Semi pro players, even at Conference level, aren't included.

Then they want to fast track them through their A licence using the Elite Level Coaching Group, of whose courses I help out on, to make sure they achieve it.

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/120 17382/pl-pfa-and-efl-launch-bame-coach-pl acement-scheme

It's a shit idea and totally ignores the thousands of ethnic minority grassroots coaches who already have a wealth of experience.

It will also create a level of pro club coaches that will be 'inbred' by the fast tracking and being virtually given their badges. Academies in five years time will be full of coaches that are only there in order to fulfil a quota.

Paul Ince hasn't got a job, or been interviewed, because he's got a crap managerial record, not because of his colour.
Sol Campbell hasn't exactly warranted a step up to where he thinks he should be.
Keith Curle and Darren Moore are at that level for a reason.

Nuno is at Wolves because of his previous excellent track record in coaching (and because he's a client of Mendes) not because of his colour
tylluan, 29/06/2020 at 19:37


I must agree with you Ty. Positive discrimination is as bad as the other extreme IMO. It doesnt matter what your skin colour is or what sex you are. In all walks of life, the best person for the job should get the job - final. 

Its now or never 

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Andyben

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#3 29/06/2020 at 19:54

Compared to your post last week (?) about how few BAME ex-players are bothered to go into coaching after playing.

Post edited on 29/06/2020 at 19:55 by Andyben

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Otto_Man

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#4 29/06/2020 at 20:38

Wasn't there an article this week from a black coach saying there weren't enough black coaches getting their A licences and it was down to them as a community? 

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tylluan

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#5 29/06/2020 at 20:43

Andy, there's an FA coaches association list that lists all active coaches and there's very few ex players with BAME backgrounds on that list.

It's lip service because they're only trialling 6 positions in 71 clubs but it's still positive discrimination in those 6 positions as they'll be PFA part funded newly created positions 

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CDLF

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#6 29/06/2020 at 20:49

Positive discrimination is still discrimination and is a disgrace in a tolerant society like ours. 

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Otto_Man

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#7 29/06/2020 at 21:13

Found it, Livingston coach says not enough BAME coaches have their A licence

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/ 53195359

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ProfessorPlum

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#8 29/06/2020 at 21:35

I'm afraid this is why we are asked constantly about our sex, race, age etc when we're applying for jobs so it isn't just in football coaching. This is so they can discriminate against some sections of society as they see fit. You'd think that was illegal wouldn't you.
I've watched a few youtube videos on this which got me to thinking. I remember years ago they started by saying everyone should have equal opportunity (which I agree with). Problem with this was it wasn't getting the results/ratios they wanted (whoever they are god knows). So you'll not hear equal opportunity mentioned so much these days as they want to control outcome which invariably means that the best people for the job don't necessarily get the job as there's quotas to fill. 

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Andyben

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#9 29/06/2020 at 23:05

Andy, there's an FA coaches association list that lists all active coaches and there's very few ex players with BAME backgrounds on that list.

It's lip service because they're only trialling 6 positions in 71 clubs but it's still positive discrimination in those 6 positions as they'll be PFA part funded newly created positions
tylluan, 29/06/2020 at 20:43


Mad innit 

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ProfessorPlum

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#10 30/06/2020 at 00:04

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LiamOwl

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#11 30/06/2020 at 07:11

Sounds an awful lot like white fragility, Frank. 

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Skamp

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#12 30/06/2020 at 07:24

Bloke on radio 5 last night introduced 'people of tone' into the discussion they were having about this.

Lampard's name got brought up in the conversation as well. 

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mkowl

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#13 30/06/2020 at 08:10

Commentators are apparently racially biased as well  

Happy clapping for 4 years more than Emre 

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LiamOwl

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#14 30/06/2020 at 08:12

AKA racist 

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LiamOwl

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#15 30/06/2020 at 08:13
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