Ron Springett In The Net - Sheffield Wednesday

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#91 15/07/2020 at 09:30

Sorry, Hunt is not good enough. Early on he was sent sprawling in a challenge. Admittedly it was a foul, but he is not up to it physically.

Let's just admit the fact that one of the reasons we are in this mess is because of our pathetic production line of young talent.
TommyCraig, 15/07/2020 at 09:25


I'd agree he needs to work on his strength, but I think there's a player in there.  

13.11.2010 at 20.51 emre...tbh, Hoylands goal gave me a semi 

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#92 15/07/2020 at 09:51

Sorry, Hunt is not good enough. Early on he was sent sprawling in a challenge. Admittedly it was a foul, but he is not up to it physically.

Let's just admit the fact that one of the reasons we are in this mess is because of our pathetic production line of young talent.
TommyCraig, 15/07/2020 at 09:25


I think your treatment on here is poor at times Tommy but come on you are setting yourself up to be shot at here.

We have a young lad with a handful of games and he is being knocked already.

May as well just ditch the Academy if this is the case.

Yes he needs to bulk up a little but shows promise.  

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#93 15/07/2020 at 10:10

Disagree with me, no problem. However, if a youngster is going to have a bright future he should be knocking on the door of a championship 1st team at the age of 17/18. I'm not criticising the lad. I'm having a go at the club's youth/academy system which has produced nothing for years. Are you saying Hunt is another Bellingham? I'll say this. I HOPE I'M PROVED WRONG.  

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#94 15/07/2020 at 10:34

I think the important thing for young footballers is not to assume that they are all the same. Just because the likes of Bellingham have broken in to the team at 16/17 doesn’t mean that that is the right path for every young player.

The other thing to consider about with Bellingham is that he is seemingly on a path right to the top, we can’t expect every player that makes it to our first team to be on that same path.

Hunt seems a talented lad, sure he needs to fill out a bit and hopefully he will do that.  

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#95 15/07/2020 at 11:08

Personally, I think Matt Penney was good enough to establish himself in the 1st team but I suppose it's all about opinions. I'm hoping also his stint in Germany will have proved beneficial. I don't think he came through our academy system did he? 

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#96 15/07/2020 at 11:19

Sorry, Hunt is not good enough. Early on he was sent sprawling in a challenge. Admittedly it was a foul, but he is not up to it physically.

Let's just admit the fact that one of the reasons we are in this mess is because of our pathetic production line of young talent.
TommyCraig, 15/07/2020 at 09:25


Time will tell with Hunt but I agree totally with your view regarding our academy. 

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#97 15/07/2020 at 12:14

Sorry, Hunt is not good enough. Early on he was sent sprawling in a challenge. Admittedly it was a foul, but he is not up to it physically.

Let's just admit the fact that one of the reasons we are in this mess is because of our pathetic production line of young talent.
TommyCraig, 15/07/2020 at 09:25


That's nonsense, the lad is a natural footballer and he will get stronger. There's many a player like him over the years who have made a decent career in the game. Luongo was the problem in the middle last night, way too deep and struggled with the pace of the game  

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#98 15/07/2020 at 13:13

Penney's been at Hillsborough since he was 8, Like Hunt. 

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#99 15/07/2020 at 13:50

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That's nonsense, the lad is a natural footballer and he will get stronger. There's many a player like him over the years who have made a decent career in the game. [/quote]

I get he's just turned 20 but he's been in the academy since 8 and played centre mid for the majority of that time. He is a natural footballer but he should have strengthened up to a point where he's not getting knocked off the ball as easily as he has done in his past two appearances.

And (before anyone asks) it's not a slight at him. It's part of my problem with the academy. There's lads in his position, playing box to box, that have a more solid central core foundation. I don't want him to bulk up to get strong, as I believe that will take away from his game.
But part of his development structure in the last two years should have been around developing that core solidity. Not waiting until he's in the first team squad and then telling him to go and work on it.

It's not just him either. Penney, Baker, Kirby and every other kid thrown in by Jos was considered too lightweight at the time. Why???
They can all play football but we don't seem to be giving them the tools to step up.

Back in 'the day' they'd have been playing combination football in the reserves and would have gained a natural strength in those games but same age group football does not provide the same grounding so it has to be done with a fitness coach and it becomes more technical.
The experience gained by PL club academies playing under 21s in the EFL Trophy has helped them immensely. So why not scrap the 23s and go back to a full on reserve team scenario. 

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#100 15/07/2020 at 14:59

[[qvotespot1]]

I get he's just turned 20 but he's been in the academy since 8 and played centre mid for the majority of that time. He is a natural footballer but he should have strengthened up to a point where he's not getting knocked off the ball as easily as he has done in his past two appearances.

And (before anyone asks) it's not a slight at him. It's part of my problem with the academy. There's lads in his position, playing box to box, that have a more solid central core foundation. I don't want him to bulk up to get strong, as I believe that will take away from his game.
But part of his development structure in the last two years should have been around developing that core solidity. Not waiting until he's in the first team squad and then telling him to go and work on it.

It's not just him either. Penney, Baker, Kirby and every other kid thrown in by Jos was considered too lightweight at the time. Why???
They can all play football but we don't seem to be giving them the tools to step up.

Back in 'the day' they'd have been playing combination football in the reserves and would have gained a natural strength in those games but same age group football does not provide the same grounding so it has to be done with a fitness coach and it becomes more technical.
The experience gained by PL club academies playing under 21s in the EFL Trophy has helped them immensely. So why not scrap the 23s and go back to a full on reserve team scenario.[/quote]

Or even simpler, just put a team in the EFL Trophy? 

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tylluan

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#101 15/07/2020 at 15:16

Cat A academies and by invitation only. We don't have a Cat A or an invite.

It's why I'm also in favour of B teams, like in Spain.  

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#102 15/07/2020 at 18:48

Cat A academies and by invitation only. We don't have a Cat A or an invite.

It's why I'm also in favour of B teams, like in Spain.
tylluan, 15/07/2020 at 15:16


B teams?

Fuck off.

Hunt doesn't look out of his depth and is in a team in a run of poor form, his passing rate is up there, he will get better with experience.

Penney needs to find a position and stick with it, switching from LB to LWB to LW does him no favours.  

Consilio et Animis 

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tylluan

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#103 15/07/2020 at 19:28



B teams?

Fuck off.

Hunt doesn't look out of his depth and is in a team in a run of poor form, his passing rate is up there, he will get better with experience.

Penney needs to find a position and stick with it, switching from LB to LWB to LW does him no favours.
Reesh1867, 15/07/2020 at 18:48


Agreed on both players.
My grief is about the academy sending these lads out without the core stability to hold their own when other academies do it.

Agree to disagree on B teams 

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#104 15/07/2020 at 19:41

There's no space in the league struture to accommodate B teams is there.  

Consilio et Animis 

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#105 15/07/2020 at 19:44

1 sub left for Monk....
owl4ever1867, 14/07/2020 at 21:21


Souds like a fair swap.  

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