Ron Springett In The Net - Sheffield Wednesday

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TommyCraig6

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#1 15/07/2020 at 10:01

I think this has been one of the most disappointing seasons for a long time. I know the pandemic has played a great part but after our 4-0 victory at Forest I think it was fair to believe that a play off place was there for the taking. (Even more annoying for someone living in Nottingham is to see Forest in a comfortable play off place!) I think we should be in a position where we could afford to live with the maximum penalty of 21 points that has been mooted. There is some dross in this league which has been highlighted in recent fixtures and it's another chance lost to make progress. It's certainly been one of the worst season for home performances?

What are your thoughts?  

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HoylandOwl

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#2 15/07/2020 at 10:27

Obviously only commenting from the outside in the main, I agree it is a huge disappointment after being 3rd at Christmas and certainly aiming at those two above us with a genuine ambition, the fall from grace has been terrible and has brought laughter for fans of other clubs who love to have a pop at us, whilst some others can't believe our decline.

I think there is an argument that there were ongoing legacy issues, there were issues around player power or influence. Luhukay wasn't strong enough, Bruce managed them it seemed and I was pleased to see Monk giving the so called 'dissenters' a chance to shine too, but then feeling like he had to make a similar decision to Jos could suggest it vilifies the decisions that Jos made.
For me, I don't mind manager's making a stand at all, the manager SHOULD be the one in charge not the players. Look at the best managers, they don't let the players run the show and the players have respect for the manager.

There's no doubt to me we have some talented players, these lads don't lose their ability overnight. Rhodes and Reach are the two that scream at me in this instance. Both signed for large sums, both breaking our previous transfer fee record, one with PROVEN ability over a number of seasons, the other with masses of potential. BOTH now floundering on the periphery of the team with fans still dreaming of seeing the Jordan Rhodes of the 4-4 Huddersfield game and plenty wanting the Reach hitting bunkerbusters every other week (although Reach was a bit of a scapegoat very early for some). The biggest questions are WHY things like this happen. Why can these players who were so coveted by many, now be lucky to be coveted by just a few? Is it their fault? The manager's fault?

The on off embargoes, the ongoing FFP discussions, the talk of other clubs moaning at our spending and the constant talk of ticket prices and things OFF the field have no doubt to me left a HUGE cloud over the club. It just develops negative thought, doubt, uncertainty and it certainly translates into the stadium too. I get that there's no fans now, but the negative feeling of playing at home (IF it is an issue) doesn't go away because the fans aren't there. When habits/feelings are brought to the fore, they're hard to shake. That's human nature.

I don't think it's as simple as saying, it's the players, it's the manager, it's the financial situation, there are so many factors at play which can dictate at any time.





13.11.2010 at 20.51 emre...tbh, Hoylands goal gave me a semi 

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Otto_Man

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#3 15/07/2020 at 10:36

It's felt a lot like that first season in L1 under Irvine, there were moments early doors that made you think it could be a really good season (see 5-0 away at Hartlepool for Forest comparison), but if we were honest with ourselves we've flattered to deceive, much like we did then... 

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TommyCraig6

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#4 15/07/2020 at 10:57

But please tell me how a club like Brentford can make us look like a non league side in terms of player recruitment and organisation.  

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CDLF

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#5 15/07/2020 at 11:15

But please tell me how a club like Brentford can make us look like a non league side in terms of player recruitment and organisation.
TommyCraig, 15/07/2020 at 10:57


I think a lot of it is down to the fans expectations. Brentford fans are hopeful of maintaining Championship status whereas Wednesday fans feel we should be playing at a higher level. Therefore we look for ready made stars at our level and they are happy to accept promising young players who may or may not develop.

Because they have adopted this policy they have fine tuned their scouting and recruitment to get the best return possible.

Our policy seems to be to chuck more cash at the problem.

It's a bit like capitalism v socialism 

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TommyCraig6

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#6 15/07/2020 at 11:27



I think a lot of it is down to the fans expectations. Brentford fans are hopeful of maintaining Championship status whereas Wednesday fans feel we should be playing at a higher level. Therefore we look for ready made stars at our level and they are happy to accept promising young players who may or may not develop.

Because they have adopted this policy they have fine tuned their scouting and recruitment to get the best return possible.

Our policy seems to be to chuck more cash at the problem.

It's a bit like capitalism v socialism
CDLF, 15/07/2020 at 11:15


Seeing as you are determined to start the debate again. I see the Tories don't mind throwing billions away. I'm referring to yet another U turn yesterday.

Let's talk about Colin Dobson instead. A very talented player. Never forget his performance in a 5-0 home thrashing of Wolves in 1963. He scored 2 and had 2 assists. He got 10 out of 10 in Sunday People. Very rare in those days. Were you there?  

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HoylandOwl

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#7 15/07/2020 at 11:31

Lets keep one thread away from politics FFSake! 

13.11.2010 at 20.51 emre...tbh, Hoylands goal gave me a semi 

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#8 15/07/2020 at 12:09

A team like Brentford? I don't think Brentford fans looked at their side in August and thought 'yeah i'll be happy with staying in the league', they were always going to be in and around the play offs 

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Beaconowl

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#9 15/07/2020 at 12:13

Lets keep one thread away from politics FFSake!
HoylandOwl, 15/07/2020 at 11:31


This  

Its now or never 

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CDLF

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#10 15/07/2020 at 12:40



Seeing as you are determined to start the debate again. I see the Tories don't mind throwing billions away. I'm referring to yet another U turn yesterday.

Let's talk about Colin Dobson instead. A very talented player. Never forget his performance in a 5-0 home thrashing of Wolves in 1963. He scored 2 and had 2 assists. He got 10 out of 10 in Sunday People. Very rare in those days. Were you there?
TommyCraig, 15/07/2020 at 11:27



My first game was November 1962, a 0-0 draw against Villa. I was probably there for that game but can't remember specifically. The instance that I remember most fondly was a game in which he was playing on the left wing and had been giving their full back a right roasting. It was at the Lepp end and he approached the full back just outside the area and stopped with the ball stationary between them. He feigned left and the defender twitched, then right and he twitched again, eyes glued to the stationary ball. CD then did a step over the ball, still without touching it and the defender fell on his arse. The whole crowd errupted with laughter and Colin flung the ball into the area.

It's very rare to see players with the amount of skill he had these days. Waddle had it as did Best and Giggs. His only real flaw was that he was a bit lightweight insomuch as if he was given a good kicking he drifted out of games. Still my all time Wednesday hero. 

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Andyben

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#11 15/07/2020 at 13:11

Brentford are like Southampton, that Berhana lad has already been sold to Chelsea, so if they go up they're already behind where they started in 2019/20

Being in London will help them but does their model & talent scouting team have anough about them to attract more PL quality from La Liga/Ligue 1 etc

Hope they do go up, know a player who'd be perfect for them & he's already said it'd be his dream move.

£12m? £15m? what could we get for him? 

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tylluan

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#12 15/07/2020 at 14:07

For me this season was a wash out the moment Bruce left.

We stumbled into results pre Christmas and got lucky on more than one occasion. whilst ecstatic of our position at Christmas the 'professional' side of me knew it couldn't last without major incomings to have a real go at it. Scrambling around all January trying to find players and ending up with the three we got didn't instill me with confidence. We needed to throw the kitchen sink at it and we didn't. People go on about Brentford. We could have been where Brentford are, or better, if we'd have gone out and thought sod it.

I've often gone back to the interview Monk gave over Christmas where he said something like he'd never given players Christmas off before but he did this season. What changed at that point? The results, for starters. Then his constant tinkering trying to find the magic formula. You can't find it in one game. Things have to be allowed to settle but we had almost a different team every week.

Monk will still be here when next season starts and there are signs that this new formation could work but he has to bring the right players in and he has to make sure the ones who are staying know exactly what is expected.

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tylluan

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#13 15/07/2020 at 14:24

But please tell me how a club like Brentford can make us look like a non league side in terms of player recruitment and organisation.
TommyCraig, 15/07/2020 at 10:57


Brentford spent £29m last July and that's only on the declared fee transfers. They did a lot of 'undisclosed' business as well. They only made a profit because they sold Maupay and Konsa and that profit might have disappeared with the undisclosed fees.

The Brentford conveyor belt is a myth. They tend to sell one player each season for a fair amount, to keep in the green, but there's also a fair amount of dross that gets picked up and then free transferred out of the club never to be seen again.
They've made season transfer losses as well as profits.

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P_O_T_R

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#14 15/07/2020 at 19:18

Going 2 1 up at Stoke I really thought this is it.

Played terrible but we came from a goal down to be 2 1 up but then the 2 goals in injury time happened.

Even the 2 0 win at Leeds gave a lot of hope but it has been downhill ever since. 

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Reesh1867

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#15 15/07/2020 at 19:25

Going 2 1 up at Stoke I really thought this is it.

Played terrible but we came from a goal down to be 2 1 up but then the 2 goals in injury time happened.

Even the 2 0 win at Leeds gave a lot of hope but it has been downhill ever since.
P_O_T_R, 15/07/2020 at 19:18


Rank bad management that. 

Consilio et Animis 

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