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#16 16/07/2020 at 06:42

The irony being that it still has the potential for a nasty sting in the tail, 2 games to go.

With the Bruce departure and the delay to get a new manager in there was none of the mis placed optimism that abounds. I think I predicted a finish of around 12th in the table - gaining of 60 points - so on the field I will not be far from that prediction.

The issue on the field is that the quality of football has been grim. Yes most of that has come from Wednesday but there has hardly been a team that has impressed me either. The tactics and nature of football being played is paint drying boring.

Therein lies the problem, when on the pitch is nothing to get excited about then all the off the field problems magnify. It is no secret that I am underwhelmed at the running of the club. This money should have been used to.build foundations not build a flash palace on quicksand.

The result of all that is this potential sting in the tail. After a distinctly average season, we can't even sit here in mid table mediocrity comfortably. Will next season be League 1 and if so would there actually be any football.

Go all narcissistic here, but the fact the likes of me have not renewed a season ticket for the first time since 1992 will hopefully be a wake up call to the powers that be. I am undoubtedly one of many others doing the same.  

Happy clapping for 4 years more than Emre 

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#17 16/07/2020 at 06:59

The irony being that it still has the potential for a nasty sting in the tail, 2 games to go.

With the Bruce departure and the delay to get a new manager in there was none of the mis placed optimism that abounds. I think I predicted a finish of around 12th in the table - gaining of 60 points - so on the field I will not be far from that prediction.

The issue on the field is that the quality of football has been grim. Yes most of that has come from Wednesday but there has hardly been a team that has impressed me either. The tactics and nature of football being played is paint drying boring.

Therein lies the problem, when on the pitch is nothing to get excited about then all the off the field problems magnify. It is no secret that I am underwhelmed at the running of the club. This money should have been used to.build foundations not build a flash palace on quicksand.

The result of all that is this potential sting in the tail. After a distinctly average season, we can't even sit here in mid table mediocrity comfortably. Will next season be League 1 and if so would there actually be any football.

Go all narcissistic here, but the fact the likes of me have not renewed a season ticket for the first time since 1992 will hopefully be a wake up call to the powers that be. I am undoubtedly one of many others doing the same.
mkowl, 16/07/2020 at 06:42


You're not on your own. We haven't renewed yet for the simple reason that I refuse to watch any more third tier football with Wednesday. Go down and we're out. 

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#18 16/07/2020 at 08:02



You're not on your own. We haven't renewed yet for the simple reason that I refuse to watch any more third tier football with Wednesday. Go down and we're out.
CDLF, 16/07/2020 at 06:59


~the cynic would suggest that we have witnessed third tier quality football for about 3 years anyway

the irony is I know I will still go, but I won't have the obligation every game to go that having a season ticket sort of puts on you. Hardly been to a midweek game, presume Ifollow will continue to be available for that. A tenner versus £30 ticket, £30 fuel and 4 hours travelling  

Happy clapping for 4 years more than Emre 

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#19 16/07/2020 at 08:20

I always remember DC saying, when he first came in, he wanted to bring winning, entertaining football...or words to that effect.

Which worked under CC season 1, since then we’ve had to endure this fucking mind numbing laboured side-to-side-backwards, pressure inducing bag o shite football.

I’m Monk’s biggest critic but I will say this, he’s stuck with the 3-5-2 which is a much better formation to watch, the problem is he hasn’t got the man management nouse to get the best out of players and in turn most of the players in the squad have been round the block and don’t appear to have any desire or hunger.

We’re in a mess. 

It’s down to you now Garry!!! OH, AND FUCK THE EFL!!!! 

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#20 16/07/2020 at 08:46

Imagine us, hull and luton getting relegated after all being promoted in 2005Hm

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#21 16/07/2020 at 10:06

When’s this soddin hearing going to wrap up?? 

It’s down to you now Garry!!! OH, AND FUCK THE EFL!!!! 

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#22 16/07/2020 at 10:30

I have an alternate take on this.

We never had a chance of success based on our inactivity in a managerial appointment. Steve Bruce resigned in mid July. We appointed Garry Monk in September, 7 weeks after Bruce quit. This mean’t that the new coach could not bring players in and had to work with Steve Bruce’s planned signings and squad. Our malaise and lack of action set the tone for the season in reality.

In fact, think back to DC’s press conference when he was appointed. There was no fanfare, he virtually admitted that he appointed the ‘best of a bad bunch’. We went for the Cowleys, we approached Hughton, and we approached Rowett. We ended up with Monk, who’s record AT BEST is average.

As soon as he hit the skids in December, he wasn’t capable of changing things. And for me, despite what the players claimed, they didn’t play for the manager. Yes, he might have had issues with a few including Hutch, Forestieri, possibly Rhodes, and then later in the season, Tom Lees. We offered deals to the likes of Fletcher and Fox who fancied the free agency more than staying. In short, he was a bad and fairly desperate appointment that ultimately hasn’t worked out, players and managers fallout, but I’ve not seen it at the level we have seen under Monk. Then when you look at the January dealings, Da Cruz, Wickham and Windass. All have shown fleeting flashes, but Wickham was never fit. Windass kept getting benched in a side that was getting pumped every week. Da Cruz just seems bang average. Between them, they have contributed very little.

Garry Monk should not be near the football club come the opening of the window.

My biggest worry is the decline. Three years ago we all felt we were a couple of players from the prem. I’ll challenge that and say that as of the 1st of August, we are six players from staying in the division. We have just stumbled from disaster to disaster, culminating in a potential EFL punishment. And remember, it is an independent panel that is reviewing the evidence between us and the EFL, if we lose, then the owner carries the can. We have been paying for errors made two years ago in terms of recycling the squad, some commercial disasters and a general lack of pro-activity or plan of where we want to be in 2/5/10 years time.

We just have a feel of a club that is hanging on the precipice of the real doldrums. That’s being reflected in the fan base. There’s a couple of posters I have a massive amount of time for on here. Reesh and MK, both have fallen out of love with Wednesday, which given the amount of money and time they have both committed over the years tells a story of where we are as a club.

My hope, and this is a real hope in that we don’t get a punishment, and it forces DC to take stock and rethink. He needs to make massive changes off the field to get business investing in us again, he needs to look at how we are structured on the commercial side and give a level of autonomy to people who he puts in place. He needs to get rid of his advisors and get a proper coach and football structure in place to see us forward. He needs to look at the academy, he needs to look at how we invest on players and how we recycle squad. He needs to bin off his Thai business principles and run the football club in the way that football clubs should be run. And above all else, he needs to make his plans clear.

An even bigger fear is that as football goes through another round of changes we are caught behind the curve again. 

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#23 16/07/2020 at 10:47

If l thought like that KM I'd fuck football off for good.Sad

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#24 16/07/2020 at 12:44

Talking of season tickets

Being in Spain I didn't buy one from tranche 1 back in January was it?
Now I'm back I suppose I will be getting one
I don't remember a tranche 2 ever getting advertisied - presumably delayed for virus reasons
Is that everyone else's understanidng?
ta


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#25 16/07/2020 at 12:51

Great post KM.

Forces Owls on Tour 

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#26 16/07/2020 at 13:01

I’ll always maintain this. Promotion comes from momentum. We had momentum going into 16/17 (after Wembley) and then again in 17/18 after the second playoff run. And then it went. Bad recruitment, poor managerial choices, poor management of playing assets.

Look at the pigs. Waltzed into the Championship, finished just outside the playoffs, and then went up. Look at Leeds, came close last year and look likely to do it this year. Look at who we beat in the playoffs in 15/16? Brighton strengthened perfectly and walked it the next year.

We are going the same way as the likes of Sunderland and Hull. Their decline has been much more sudden (Huddersfield are in a mess too), we have stood still on and off the field, yes, FFP has hampered us, but our own stupidity has caused us to come close to that (or indeed breach it if we are found guilty).

Like I said. If we get cleared, I’m hoping that’s the nudge we need to put this right. We need some form of plan, and if it means we have to build year on year THE RIGHT WAY for 2-3 seasons, then so be it. And Wednesday fans will buy into that. 

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#27 16/07/2020 at 13:11

Talking of season tickets

Being in Spain I didn't buy one from tranche 1 back in January was it?
Now I'm back I suppose I will be getting one
I don't remember a tranche 2 ever getting advertisied - presumably delayed for virus reasons
Is that everyone else's understanidng?
ta
harryspeakup, 16/07/2020 at 12:44


We've just had the 1 sales period mate, yes 

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#28 16/07/2020 at 14:27

cheers bartos

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#29 16/07/2020 at 20:23

I have an alternate take on this.

We never had a chance of success based on our inactivity in a managerial appointment. Steve Bruce resigned in mid July. We appointed Garry Monk in September, 7 weeks after Bruce quit. This mean’t that the new coach could not bring players in and had to work with Steve Bruce’s planned signings and squad. Our malaise and lack of action set the tone for the season in reality.

In fact, think back to DC’s press conference when he was appointed. There was no fanfare, he virtually admitted that he appointed the ‘best of a bad bunch’. We went for the Cowleys, we approached Hughton, and we approached Rowett. We ended up with Monk, who’s record AT BEST is average.

As soon as he hit the skids in December, he wasn’t capable of changing things. And for me, despite what the players claimed, they didn’t play for the manager. Yes, he might have had issues with a few including Hutch, Forestieri, possibly Rhodes, and then later in the season, Tom Lees. We offered deals to the likes of Fletcher and Fox who fancied the free agency more than staying. In short, he was a bad and fairly desperate appointment that ultimately hasn’t worked out, players and managers fallout, but I’ve not seen it at the level we have seen under Monk. Then when you look at the January dealings, Da Cruz, Wickham and Windass. All have shown fleeting flashes, but Wickham was never fit. Windass kept getting benched in a side that was getting pumped every week. Da Cruz just seems bang average. Between them, they have contributed very little.

Garry Monk should not be near the football club come the opening of the window.

My biggest worry is the decline. Three years ago we all felt we were a couple of players from the prem. I’ll challenge that and say that as of the 1st of August, we are six players from staying in the division. We have just stumbled from disaster to disaster, culminating in a potential EFL punishment. And remember, it is an independent panel that is reviewing the evidence between us and the EFL, if we lose, then the owner carries the can. We have been paying for errors made two years ago in terms of recycling the squad, some commercial disasters and a general lack of pro-activity or plan of where we want to be in 2/5/10 years time.

We just have a feel of a club that is hanging on the precipice of the real doldrums. That’s being reflected in the fan base. There’s a couple of posters I have a massive amount of time for on here. Reesh and MK, both have fallen out of love with Wednesday, which given the amount of money and time they have both committed over the years tells a story of where we are as a club.

My hope, and this is a real hope in that we don’t get a punishment, and it forces DC to take stock and rethink. He needs to make massive changes off the field to get business investing in us again, he needs to look at how we are structured on the commercial side and give a level of autonomy to people who he puts in place. He needs to get rid of his advisors and get a proper coach and football structure in place to see us forward. He needs to look at the academy, he needs to look at how we invest on players and how we recycle squad. He needs to bin off his Thai business principles and run the football club in the way that football clubs should be run. And above all else, he needs to make his plans clear.

An even bigger fear is that as football goes through another round of changes we are caught behind the curve again.
KingMong, 16/07/2020 at 10:30


You mention Reesh and MK falling out of love with Wednesday and I've seen on here a few more don't look like renewing season tickets. These are people along with you who think DC is the bees knees and will always back him. I suppose you think fans that will stick by the club have got misplaced loyalty? Managers, players and chairmen come and go but some of us are supporters for life, come what may. I'm probably one of DC's biggest critics and if we get a points deduction it will be him and nobody else to blame. (I sincerely hope we don't) Whatever the outcome, I'll be there next season. If the likes of Reesh and a few more decide to call it a day it will be nice not to get abused as often.  

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#30 16/07/2020 at 20:28

Did you even read what he wrote? 

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