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HoylandOwl

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#1 17/07/2020 at 10:19

Just thinking last night, with all this talk of a potential salary cap in football.. Do we think its a good thing?

For the good of the game longer term. With all the ongoing issues around FFP, wages rising year on year on players contracts to what amount to stupid levels at the top, it forces higher wages down the pyramid and ultimately it translates to ticket prices very often too.

Or.... Is there another way to make it a more level playing field so to speak ?

13.11.2010 at 20.51 emre...tbh, Hoylands goal gave me a semi 

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Andyben

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#2 17/07/2020 at 10:39

Cap wages to 60% of income, but this would lead to more fiddling 

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P_O_T_R

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#3 17/07/2020 at 11:00

Is it the NFL who pool all the money on shirt sales etc from each club then everyone has an equal cut? 

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#4 17/07/2020 at 11:07

Do they do it in the U.S.? If so, it’s a big plus yee-haw damn right rootin tootin affirmative there good buddy!!

It’s down to you now Garry!!! OH, AND FUCK THE EFL!!!! 

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P_O_T_R

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#5 17/07/2020 at 11:26

Hell Yeah! 

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HoylandOwl

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#6 17/07/2020 at 12:22

Way to hustle 

13.11.2010 at 20.51 emre...tbh, Hoylands goal gave me a semi 

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MAL

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#7 17/07/2020 at 12:57

Just thinking last night, with all this talk of a potential salary cap in football.. Do we think its a good thing?

For the good of the game longer term. With all the ongoing issues around FFP, wages rising year on year on players contracts to what amount to stupid levels at the top, it forces higher wages down the pyramid and ultimately it translates to ticket prices very often too.

Or.... Is there another way to make it a more level playing field so to speak ?
HoylandOwl, 17/07/2020 at 10:19


HELL YES

I CANNOT EMPHASISE THIS ENOUGH

HELL FRIGGING YES

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LOBSTER

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#8 17/07/2020 at 13:20

There is a salary cap in rugby BUT every club has found a way round it - some more than others  

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tylluan

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#9 17/07/2020 at 14:09

Would it really create a level playing field?
£13.8k a week per player would still put some clubs in the shade of others.
The likes of Coventry, Rotherham, Luton have no chance of getting near that (top earners on about £7-8K) so they would still have the same problem they have now.
So, in order to keep their better players do they suddenly double their match day prices and season tickets?

The supposedly richer clubs should be able to save some money but would it go into community, ground, youth, development or stay in the owner's pocket?
Or used in other ways
Lets say the EFL does a deal with the PL where parachute payments end and there has to be a clause in player contracts where by the wage drops to £14k should you get relegated.
Taking Norwich as an example, Pukki and co go from £50k plus to £14k if they stay on. So Norwich have two routes. Promise a massive bonus and a huge wage increase if these players stay and get promotion again or cash in on the transfers (if they can shift them) and their cut of the PL millions for finishing last and use that money to buy new players, using the same promise as above.

Or we could say to Pukki. Come to us and if we get promoted and you score 20 goals to get us there then we'll pay you a £2m bonus (which would average his pay out at £54k a week) and £60K a week in the Prem.

Then there's signing on fees, end of contract fees, sell on clauses, houses, cars

A salary cap wouldn't even scratch the surface.  

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HoylandOwl

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#10 17/07/2020 at 14:11

In your opinion Ty,

Do you see a way forward?  

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tylluan

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#11 17/07/2020 at 20:02

The Americans reset the salary clock before the big sponsorship money came into their games and the players unions negotiate every three to five years for a fair allocation of the money coming into their sport.
The MLS has had a salary cap since day zero, as all players are paid by the league and not the clubs. But there's still room to manoeuvre (break the cap) with the Designated Player and TAM payment system. If the league thinks a player will add a positive image to the global brand then he's worth the money.
It's the same with the A League.

Rugby brought a salary cap in then saw a flux of star players disappear to France and Japan. The relevant national bodies tried to counter by only picking national team players who were playing in their league. Players still chased the money over the caps so clubs sought to find loopholes like investing on players behalf and buying houses.

The time to have brought a cap in was the start of the Premiership. The rest of Europe probably would have followed suit, especially as the owners would have quickly sussed that all that tv revenue was going to them and not the players. At that point we could have followed the American system and the PFA could have become an actual union instead of just being there to create money for its executive committee.

If you were to bring in a cap now it would need a complete restart. Rip everyone's contract up (paying off the remaining years) then renegotiate on a day zero. If players think they can get more money in Asia then off they go. But if it came down to £14k a week or chancing my arm abroad, in a now saturated market, I'd be staying put.
It would take three to five seasons to bottom out and there'd be a lot of financial fallouts amongst players who'd be spending their full £30k a week but they pay into a union and it would be on interesting to see how far the PFA would stretch their hardship fund.

But here comes the provisos.
In my opinion it would only work with the following.
The end of parachute payments.
The end of bonuses, unless team bonuses for promotion or winning a cup.
No designated player rule. Look at how Derby are funding Rooney. It's not right, otherwise D Taxis can pay Ibrahimovic's wages.
PL clubs to salary cap their academies. That way a released 21 year old doesn't get a severe drop in wages and may stay in the game. It could also mean that more kids stay and chase first team football with their local clubs instead of chasing a payday and a Rolex with Chelsea.
If they want to pay them the equivalent of £30k a week then it gets put in a pension fund they can pull on when they're 30.
Capped ticket prices per division. Same price every game at every club. That way fans at clubs currently not paying £14k a week don't become the victims in paying to compete. This will still create the imbalance that exists now but clubs like Rotherham know they can't compete but it stops them fleecing the fans to try.

I'm waffling now so I'll stop as it's all a pipe dream. There's too many people chasing the money for them to agree to this.
It would need a major upheaval. A day zero...

Step forward premier league 2.
The teams that were left in the EFL would have to reorganise and that would be the perfect time to implement some of the above.  

Post edited on 17/07/2020 at 20:07 by tylluan

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bartos1976

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#12 17/07/2020 at 23:24

Sto[p clubs stockpiling players, job done 

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Tank_Owl

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#13 18/07/2020 at 19:56

I'd go the other way so to speak. The clubs can do whatever they like. However, here comes the big but, each Director or owner of a club has to be the Guarantor(s) to the club for whatever debt etc they heap on the club, which will make any owner think twice (hopefully) about the future sustainability of it if their own livelihoods are also at stake.

I just think it's a false hope to think there can be a level play field for clubs, it's never been level and it's really hard to see how it could ever be. It isn't in any other sport despite the efforts of the various bodies. So don't waste your effort just put measures in place which make owners care for the club as though it was their own livelihoods at stake. 

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tylluan

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#14 18/07/2020 at 22:05

Tank you could make it even more simple.
An owner can dip into his own pocket as much as he wants but cannot leverage any loans against club infrastructure or assets. The owner also can't loan the club money unless at zero interest.
So the club runs within sustainability or the owner can spunk millions if its all his.

There are clubs within the Championship that consider their position to be their pinnacle. So there's already a two tier system of clubs so let the owners with money spend it if they want.  

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#15 19/07/2020 at 10:00

No-one's mentioned a concentration camp for agents yet.

Grr

We must not give opposition teams hope. We have to kill them. 

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