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bricat

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#1 23/07/2020 at 02:19

Nothing will shift my support for Sheffield Wednesday.
Over the years we have had bad owners, bad managers and god awful players.Also, rarely, good players and the odd decent coach/manager.Aged , nearly 72,I was taken to see the Owls since I was 3.
I had hoped before I drew my last breath that we would be in the top league. My Grandson is now aged 6 and I believe he will be lucky if he sees it.
Don't lose your support for the Owls. We deserve better than we are getting on all levels.We are the club. No one else, currently employed by Sheffield Wednesday from owner to programme seller can better that claim.
On a night, a season of total shame, I ask you to please continue supporting SWFC for the club are worth it. We owe it to those who served the club through our history and not the charlatans of the present.  

Fuck 'em. This city will always be ours. 

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#2 23/07/2020 at 03:17

Dave Richards left us fucked.  

Consilio et Animis 

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#3 23/07/2020 at 07:12

We are a shambles and anyone thinking otherwise needs a head wobble.

But of course I care what happens, like a good many on here I probably care more than is healthy for me.

I got accused of enjoying the mess we are in just so I could say told you so. That is so wrong but people can air their views as they see.

So no it is more anger, probably its more an air of resignation as well, that despite having a line in the sand, the potential for a fresh approach when DC came in, the brief flirtation with success, where are we now £100m put in later.

Our future league position decided off the pitch not on it, a hopeless manager, a poor squad of players, a crumbling stadium and not fit for purpose training facilities.

That is the legacy of 100m but some will hang on to the joy of a day out at Wembley to say all is fine

I have been critical and will continue to do so because it should have been a better legacy. The biggest fear is what is the plan to redress this. Because if you can see it you are a better person than me.

So yes I have been critical because each wrong step I thought we were making was with this fear in mind of where it would and indeed has lead to.

OK it was borderline stuff but the 3 teams currently relegated have one recurring theme. Hull, Charlton and Wigan, a clusterfuck off the field.

Happy clapping for 4 years more than Emre 

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#4 23/07/2020 at 07:26

Well said Bricat.


To add to your comment MK I'm pretty concerned that if DC throws in the towel what owner are we likely to get to succeed him. Whilst DC has simply been naive I don't think he has intentions to asset strip whereas we know there are other less scrupulous out there. 

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#5 23/07/2020 at 07:44

I will try and raise spirits a bit......

The second half of this season has been awful. Statistically it must be one of the worst half seasons ever, but we have had worse and are still here.

Everything seems shit at the moment but it always does after a defeat. A 1-0 win last night (which could easily have happened) and we wouldn’t be feeling this bad.

Yes the off field stuff is concerning and I agree with MK that there seems to be a lack of plan and direction. But if the results were OK all that wouldn’t seem to matter as much. It has to start with the manager and either Monk will get sacked or he will sort it out, that is my genuine view. We have a chance now to sort out the squad for the first time in ages.

We could very well win this case with the EFL and the sword of Damocles will be removed. It’s hard to be optimistic but, even if we do get a points deduction we deal with it and move on, it’s done.

It won’t be long before we can get back to Hillsborough and we all know that, no matter how crap we are, we will all still have that buzz when we go back.

Stay positive and remember that, no matter who owns the club, who the manager is and how crap or great the players are, the true soul of the club lives within all of us and no one can take that away. 

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#6 23/07/2020 at 07:47

We're going up next season.  

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#7 23/07/2020 at 07:53

Right, that's your jokey response out of the way, Ben...what do you really believe? 

I ask you will Galway bate Mayo? Not if they have Willie Joe...they haven't a hope of beating Mayo! 

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#8 23/07/2020 at 07:57

Everyone is feeling the normal end of seasons blues After our god awful run with an EFL charge over our head sucking out any standard gallows humour. Normally everyone of us would have something to look forward to.. new season, fresh players, new grounds to visit and overall a new chance regardless of relegation or not!

What’s compounded us all into the ground is none of us can find anything to look forward to as none of us know what’s going to happen due to the EFL charges still not concluded. Plus the prospect of half a season behind closed doors hardly fills any fan with joy!

So for all the “clubs in mess” attitudes out there I ask you apply some rationality and take a step back and appreciate these are extraordinary events at the moment and so what we are feeling right isn’t normal by any measure of any end of season outcome.

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#9 23/07/2020 at 07:59

Well said Bricat.


To add to your comment MK I'm pretty concerned that if DC throws in the towel what owner are we likely to get to succeed him. Whilst DC has simply been naive I don't think he has intentions to asset strip whereas we know there are other less scrupulous out there.
Tank_Owl, 23/07/2020 at 07:26


He’ll go, he’ll get bullied out of the club, to be honest I don’t blame him with our fuckin clowns. We deserve L1 and L2, never been a more inappropriate slogan as WAWAW, little c**t dribbles get a sniff of the PL and can’t get their heads around FFP & P+S stopping us spending so they racially abuse the chairman and his family on social media.

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It’s down to you now Garry!!! OH, AND FUCK THE EFL!!!! 

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#10 23/07/2020 at 08:25

Right, that's your jokey response out of the way, Ben...what do you really believe?
Baresi, 23/07/2020 at 07:53


That next season well be in the Championship and will gain promotion.

We're having a massive clear out, perhaps a season too late but that's due to having to let contracts run down for players with no transfer value.

We couldn't afford to cancel and then replace them with new players due to limitations caused by P&S.

We've effectively got a clean slate to hire hungry young players again.

We'll go up 

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#11 23/07/2020 at 08:26

Why is everyone assuming there’s no plan? The release of players and links to younger players suggests there’s a plan.

I’ll wait and see how it pans out before I throw all my toys out of the pram 

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#12 23/07/2020 at 08:43

Why is everyone assuming there’s no plan? The release of players and links to younger players suggests there’s a plan.

I’ll wait and see how it pans out before I throw all my toys out of the pram
bartos1976, 23/07/2020 at 08:26

This. 

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#13 23/07/2020 at 08:51

Nothing will shift my support for Sheffield Wednesday.
Over the years we have had bad owners, bad managers and god awful players.Also, rarely, good players and the odd decent coach/manager.Aged , nearly 72,I was taken to see the Owls since I was 3.
I had hoped before I drew my last breath that we would be in the top league. My Grandson is now aged 6 and I believe he will be lucky if he sees it.
Don't lose your support for the Owls. We deserve better than we are getting on all levels.We are the club. No one else, currently employed by Sheffield Wednesday from owner to programme seller can better that claim.
On a night, a season of total shame, I ask you to please continue supporting SWFC for the club are worth it. We owe it to those who served the club through our history and not the charlatans of the present.
bricat, 23/07/2020 at 02:19


My thoughts entirely bri. I don't know what my Father and Grandfather would think of this mess. I think we are probably the oldest on here? I'm approaching 71.  

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#14 23/07/2020 at 09:13

Why is everyone assuming there’s no plan? The release of players and links to younger players suggests there’s a plan.

I’ll wait and see how it pans out before I throw all my toys out of the pram
bartos1976, 23/07/2020 at 08:26


That’s a fair point. As much as I think Garry Monk is a terrible manager, he’s hit the nail on the head in terms of what is needed and has/is trying to change it. We’ve binned off the older and less reliable players, we have identified that we need to target high quality youngsters.

My point is ultimately that is whether he, or anyone else is given the chance to do so. This all needs to be backed by the owner. We still need to invest money in the squad (remember how short of players we are now). Yes, the market will be depressed, but there is still going to be a significant outlay needed to rebuild.

If we, as I expect, get around the FFP element. Then, we could, if the owner is still interested, have another go. Just not following the same strategy.  

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#15 23/07/2020 at 09:18

I am more convinced about the plans that Baldrick had  

Happy clapping for 4 years more than Emre 

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#16 23/07/2020 at 09:20

I will try and raise spirits a bit......

The second half of this season has been awful. Statistically it must be one of the worst half seasons ever, but we have had worse and are still here.

Everything seems shit at the moment but it always does after a defeat. A 1-0 win last night (which could easily have happened) and we wouldn’t be feeling this bad.

Yes the off field stuff is concerning and I agree with MK that there seems to be a lack of plan and direction. But if the results were OK all that wouldn’t seem to matter as much. It has to start with the manager and either Monk will get sacked or he will sort it out, that is my genuine view. We have a chance now to sort out the squad for the first time in ages.

We could very well win this case with the EFL and the sword of Damocles will be removed. It’s hard to be optimistic but, even if we do get a points deduction we deal with it and move on, it’s done.

It won’t be long before we can get back to Hillsborough and we all know that, no matter how crap we are, we will all still have that buzz when we go back.

Stay positive and remember that, no matter who owns the club, who the manager is and how crap or great the players are, the true soul of the club lives within all of us and no one can take that away.
Chelters, 23/07/2020 at 07:44


I agree here too.

People forget about off-field issues when things are ok on the field. When things go wrong on the pitch, and let’s be clear, it’s been an utterly embarrassing and shameful end to a season, then all the off field issues get added on. And we are in an era where all info is available at all times. This has been compounded by the EFL shadow too.

The reality is that, the club has around 7 weeks to rebuild. This is easily the biggest rebuild of my lifetime as we are so short of quality and even bodies, that we are going to need to bring 8-10 in to stay in the division, and to challenge at the top, we need those 8-10 to work out. We’ve seen that this last 23 games this squad is not nearly good enough to stay up. 

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#17 23/07/2020 at 09:21

Why is everyone assuming there’s no plan? The release of players and links to younger players suggests there’s a plan.

I’ll wait and see how it pans out before I throw all my toys out of the pram
bartos1976, 23/07/2020 at 08:26


Good post! 

It’s down to you now Garry!!! OH, AND FUCK THE EFL!!!! 

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#18 23/07/2020 at 11:21

No one knows how much wiggle room we have in respect to P&S next season until the latest set of accounts is released. So signing a promotion winning team, full of hungry young players, might not be on the cards.
Winning this doesn't mean we start again. The rolling 3 years still continues and could end up getting hit again for P&S if we spend and don't go up.
And the next time will be harder to get out of, especially as Parry will be scrutinising every penny we spend and bring in.
If he loses this round then he'll go after the sponsorship deals with non operating companies.

We need a five year plan with two seasons of consolidation and minimal spend. If that means raiding the loan market, Looking lower league, going for free transfers, and bring the kids on then so be it. That way we'll have cleared whatever else comes our way, consolidated our league position (further points deductions excepted), and then we can organise a promotion push.
In these two seasons we can also future proof our 'promotion push' by building up a database of constantly watched players that we think will help get us promoted. This way we're not just buying 'off the shelf' that we hope will work but more than likely won't.
This two years would also help us to invest in a manager. One that will understand and work with the new recruitment policy, or have his own that matches the vision.
The growth of the squad would be continuous, over the two years, so the players integrated into the club ethos and bought into us and not just the wage. I don't want a kid from Man City who's coming because he wants first team football. I want a player that, even after all we've just been through, says fuck me. Wednesday want me to play for them. This manager wants me. That way when they hold their first press conference and starting talking about massive club, pleasure to be here, etc, they actually mean it.
Wilder had a dossier (and still does) of every player he thought would work for him. Half the players he brought to the sty he'd been tracking while at Northampton. He knew he couldn't buy them while he was there but it didn't stop him doing his preparation for if he went elsewhere.
That's what we want. Bruce was probably tracking Murphy for Villa, before he came to us, along with others.
It has to be someone currently in the game as well. If that means a lower league manager then so be it. They might be hungrier to make it work.

Two years of mid table and then push. 

Post edited on 23/07/2020 at 11:23 by tylluan

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#19 23/07/2020 at 13:20

You make it sound very doable Ty. So WTF have we been doing these past 20 years.

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#20 23/07/2020 at 13:26

You make it sound very doable Ty. So WTF have we been doing these past 20 years.

Bigsmile
CDLF, 23/07/2020 at 13:20

Being hamstrung, virtually all of that time.  

We must not give opposition teams hope. We have to kill them. 

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#21 23/07/2020 at 13:27

You make it sound very doable Ty. So WTF have we been doing these past 20 years.

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CDLF, 23/07/2020 at 13:20


As Walkley says, Dave Richards fucked us reet good and proper Wanker

Post edited on 23/07/2020 at 13:28 by Beaconowl

Its now or never 

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#22 23/07/2020 at 14:08



As Walkley says, Dave Richards fucked us reet good and proper Wanker
Beaconowl , 23/07/2020 at 13:27


Lot of water under a lot of bridges since then  

Happy clapping for 4 years more than Emre 

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#23 23/07/2020 at 14:41



Lot of water under a lot of bridges since then
mkowl, 23/07/2020 at 14:08


Well said. This chairman is as much to blame for current state of club.

Watching Barnsley's players and especially their managers reaction to pulling off the great escape keeps my love for the game burning. To see a foreigner react like he did says it all.

I just cannot understand Monk playing Wickham in front of Rhodes. Wickham had no interest for a fight whatsoever and we'll never see him again. Same goes for Windass? Rhodes has another year!  

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#24 23/07/2020 at 16:10



Well said. This chairman is as much to blame for current state of club.

Watching Barnsley's players and especially their managers reaction to pulling off the great escape keeps my love for the game burning. To see a foreigner react like he did says it all.

I just cannot understand Monk playing Wickham in front of Rhodes. Wickham had no interest for a fight whatsoever and we'll never see him again. Same goes for Windass? Rhodes has another year!
TommyCraig6, 23/07/2020 at 14:41


Jesus wept.

You really are a fucking redneck.  

Consilio et Animis 

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#25 23/07/2020 at 16:24



Lot of water under a lot of bridges since then
mkowl, 23/07/2020 at 14:08


We had our chance and blew it. 

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mkowl

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#26 23/07/2020 at 16:32



We had our chance and blew it.
winco, 23/07/2020 at 16:24


But everyone had a lovely time at Wembley that is all that matters  

Happy clapping for 4 years more than Emre 

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#27 23/07/2020 at 16:38

Next final appearance due roughly around 2025!

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tylluan

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#28 23/07/2020 at 17:32

Chansiri got side tracked by the whole 'we're going up before the anniversary' spiel.

If we'd have gone with a five year plan from the moment he walked through the door then, spending his money more wisely, we'd have probably been promoted by now.  

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#29 23/07/2020 at 18:49



Well said. This chairman is as much to blame for current state of club.

Watching Barnsley's players and especially their managers reaction to pulling off the great escape keeps my love for the game burning. To see a foreigner react like he did says it all.

I just cannot understand Monk playing Wickham in front of Rhodes. Wickham had no interest for a fight whatsoever and we'll never see him again. Same goes for Windass? Rhodes has another year!
TommyCraig6, 23/07/2020 at 14:41


Chasiri is not the problem, some things i don't agree with but DC is'nt the real cause. 

I'll never buy from AXA again! 

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#30 23/07/2020 at 19:12



But everyone had a lovely time at Wembley that is all that matters
mkowl, 23/07/2020 at 16:32



Did I really? Thanks for letting me know cos I can't remember much about it. 

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