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#46 24/07/2020 at 11:36



Ty,

I'd have issue with that though too.
I present.... Adam Reach.
When he first came to the club, there was a significant amount of supporters who decided within 5 minutes he wasn't worth his salt.
We live in a generation of supporters, But I must stress not everyone, who crave, nay DEMAND, instant success.

I have no problem with fans craving better players. Without wanting the best for your club, although the though process behind it could differ, then it wouldn't matter almost who comes in.

The problem for me has been player power, no doubt, it's been the players/agents market. 'Fail' at a club, largely, they'll still go elsewhere on the same or more money. Earning from signing on fees, % of transfer fees, etc etc. It's not hard to see why players can be seduced by the money at all. But, I've said it before and it still holds true for me.

In YOUR job, whoever you are reading this, I'd argue the vast majority, if another organisation came for you and offered you 5x to do the same job. You'd leave.

We live in a WORLD driven by more, more, more. It's not just football, it's the way of the world.
HoylandOwl, 24/07/2020 at 11:06



And I'd argue that that is an entirely erroneous supposition. Theres a monster difference to someone earning £200 pw being offered £1000 pw and a footballer earning £10k pw and being offered £50k pw

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#47 24/07/2020 at 13:57

Us living in the 'normal' world so to speak in terms of renumeration, would see a larger impact from a jump as mentioned, of course I'd certainly agree with you.
But it must mean something or as much to footballers though. Clearly, or it wouldn't happen as often as it does.

Look at the likes of Forestieri and Fletcher as the prime example... The whole argument of who's paid the most that was said to go on, with Forestieri rocking up at the training ground on a pushbike because he 'can't afford a new car'. Nando even joked about the pushbike on Instagram the other week, with someone mentioning an Audi R8.. Which was rumoured to be what Fletch has/had at the time.



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#48 24/07/2020 at 14:01

Us living in the 'normal' world so to speak in terms of renumeration, would see a larger impact from a jump as mentioned, of course I'd certainly agree with you.
But it must mean something or as much to footballers though. Clearly, or it wouldn't happen as often as it does.

Look at the likes of Forestieri and Fletcher as the prime example... The whole argument of who's paid the most that was said to go on, with Forestieri rocking up at the training ground on a pushbike because he 'can't afford a new car'. Nando even joked about the pushbike on Instagram the other week, with someone mentioning an Audi R8.. Which was rumoured to be what Fletch has/had at the time.



HoylandOwl, 24/07/2020 at 13:57


Must be awful to be on 30k a week.....

While disappearing to Argentina every 2 minutes to see his family.....sorry rehab 

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#49 24/07/2020 at 14:17

It is daft at that level, no doubt.  

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#50 24/07/2020 at 14:39

Well I’m going to add my voice to the minority who are trying to be at least slightly positive.

I reckon we’ve won the case, and we’re starting next season on zero points. There’s probably no other rational explanation for why it’s taken so long.

It’s been obvious for a while we’ve needed a clear out of high earners. For the last couple of seasons our side has been based around the slightly over the hill and frequently injured remnants of what was basically Carlos’ team. Somebody else needs to be given a chance to do a proper rebuild and this close season it will happen.

As has already been mentioned, whatever doubts people have got about Monk, he at least sounds like he knows what the problems are.

We’ll be bringing in players generally on less money than the ones they’re replacing. I suppose that means we’ll be looking either abroad or the lower divisions. Yes it could be a disaster, we could end up with relegation fodder. It’s worth pointing out though that we’ve still got Downes and Hughes in charge of scouting. Bruce made a big deal of getting those two from Villa, so they must have something. This is their chance to show us why he rated them so highly. Look, basically if we’re 12 games in next season and we realise we’ve got a squad full of League One players then fair enough, but I’d rather at least wait and see what the outcome of our squad rebuild looks like. 

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#51 24/07/2020 at 14:45

Well I’m going to add my voice to the minority who are trying to be at least slightly positive.

I reckon we’ve won the case, and we’re starting next season on zero points. There’s probably no other rational explanation for why it’s taken so long.

It’s been obvious for a while we’ve needed a clear out of high earners. For the last couple of seasons our side has been based around the slightly over the hill and frequently injured remnants of what was basically Carlos’ team. Somebody else needs to be given a chance to do a proper rebuild and this close season it will happen.

As has already been mentioned, whatever doubts people have got about Monk, he at least sounds like he knows what the problems are.

We’ll be bringing in players generally on less money than the ones they’re replacing. I suppose that means we’ll be looking either abroad or the lower divisions. Yes it could be a disaster, we could end up with relegation fodder. It’s worth pointing out though that we’ve still got Downes and Hughes in charge of scouting. Bruce made a big deal of getting those two from Villa, so they must have something. This is their chance to show us why he rated them so highly. Look, basically if we’re 12 games in next season and we realise we’ve got a squad full of League One players then fair enough, but I’d rather at least wait and see what the outcome of our squad rebuild looks like.
OWL71, 24/07/2020 at 14:39
I'd probably add that we need a team not simply new players, we obviously haven't had a team for a long time, hence nobody seemingly giving a shit when one of ours gets kicked up in the air, dodgy decisions go against us etc etc. 

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#52 24/07/2020 at 15:17

Us living in the 'normal' world so to speak in terms of renumeration, would see a larger impact from a jump as mentioned, of course I'd certainly agree with you.
But it must mean something or as much to footballers though. Clearly, or it wouldn't happen as often as it does.

Look at the likes of Forestieri and Fletcher as the prime example... The whole argument of who's paid the most that was said to go on, with Forestieri rocking up at the training ground on a pushbike because he 'can't afford a new car'. Nando even joked about the pushbike on Instagram the other week, with someone mentioning an Audi R8.. Which was rumoured to be what Fletch has/had at the time.



HoylandOwl, 24/07/2020 at 13:57


He got the R8 as part of his signing on fee didn’t he?  

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#53 24/07/2020 at 15:42

So the rumours go 

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#54 24/07/2020 at 16:12



Tommy,
The issue with comments like that are, NO player is prepared to play for a pittance anymore.
Look at the average pay leak that came out here a bit back - https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/huge-wage-ga p-in-efl-revealed-1-6630284

The average wage for the best-paid players at Championship clubs is a staggering £29,000 a week - with the league’s highest-earner pocketing £68,000 every seven days – while League One’s top players are paid an average of ‘just’ £4,753 a week

So playing for a pittance won't ever happen in the Football League, those days are LONG gone. There won't be many players now that stay at 'their' club because they love to be there, if there's any club looking at coming in and offering them a sizeable wage rise, they're off. The game has changed entirely.
It has fostered a number of players who are 'in it for the money' and who's fault is that?
HoylandOwl, 24/07/2020 at 10:46


I know they won't play for a pittance and I also know there is no loyalty. What is a person's idea of a pittance? Do you honestly believe a professional footballer is worth more to society than a nurse, doctor, engineer, scientist. It's immoral what they earn. I was just making a comparison. Let's not forget there was the maximum wage and Wednesday introduced a win bonus and a bonus if attendance was above a certain level. Quite a sensible scheme don't you think. I know those days are long gone and will only return when clubs go bust (which might not be a long way off). The majority on here will laugh and take the piss but I know the period I enjoyed most as a Wednesdayite.  

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#55 24/07/2020 at 16:24



He got the R8 as part of his signing on fee didn’t he?
bartos1976, 24/07/2020 at 15:17



So the rumours go
HoylandOwl, 24/07/2020 at 15:42


Equivalent to 2 weeks wages.

FF probably took more than that in kit 

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#56 24/07/2020 at 16:26



I know they won't play for a pittance and I also know there is no loyalty. What is a person's idea of a pittance? Do you honestly believe a professional footballer is worth more to society than a nurse, doctor, engineer, scientist. It's immoral what they earn. I was just making a comparison. Let's not forget there was the maximum wage and Wednesday introduced a win bonus and a bonus if attendance was above a certain level. Quite a sensible scheme don't you think. I know those days are long gone and will only return when clubs go bust (which might not be a long way off). The majority on here will laugh and take the piss but I know the period I enjoyed most as a Wednesdayite.
TommyCraig6, 24/07/2020 at 16:12


Would you pay £575 a year to watch a nurse work for 2 hrs 23 times a year, or join a message board to criticise they way they applied a bandage? 

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#57 24/07/2020 at 16:40



I know they won't play for a pittance and I also know there is no loyalty. What is a person's idea of a pittance? Do you honestly believe a professional footballer is worth more to society than a nurse, doctor, engineer, scientist. It's immoral what they earn. I was just making a comparison. Let's not forget there was the maximum wage and Wednesday introduced a win bonus and a bonus if attendance was above a certain level. Quite a sensible scheme don't you think. I know those days are long gone and will only return when clubs go bust (which might not be a long way off). The majority on here will laugh and take the piss but I know the period I enjoyed most as a Wednesdayite.
TommyCraig6, 24/07/2020 at 16:12



I enjoyed us winning a trophy and being regarded as the best footballing team in the country.  

Consilio et Animis 

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#58 24/07/2020 at 17:28



I know they won't play for a pittance and I also know there is no loyalty. What is a person's idea of a pittance? Do you honestly believe a professional footballer is worth more to society than a nurse, doctor, engineer, scientist. It's immoral what they earn. I was just making a comparison. Let's not forget there was the maximum wage and Wednesday introduced a win bonus and a bonus if attendance was above a certain level. Quite a sensible scheme don't you think. I know those days are long gone and will only return when clubs go bust (which might not be a long way off). The majority on here will laugh and take the piss but I know the period I enjoyed most as a Wednesdayite.
TommyCraig6, 24/07/2020 at 16:12


Absolutely not.

As you say, unless the game in general goes udders up, then it won't change drastically.

I do think there's going to be more of a change lower down the pyramid, there has to be to avoid another Bury happening.

Whenever you enjoyed it most as a Wednesday fan is your decision, it doesn't make you right or anyone else wrong. Its subjective. I can't agree or disagree with you on it because (despite what some twats in here think Im not old enough to Bigsmile)

Not so long ago, I got caught up in wanting to know all about the ins and outs of our club but it drove me bonkers. My step away from watching us due to work probably came at the right time, as I was losing faith and walking away was VERY close.


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#59 24/07/2020 at 18:06

I'm so disinterested in football, not just Wednesday, but given half a bit of hope in it all I'd be back.

I've been everywhere, games miles away in midweek and sometimes a break is as good as we get, Owling, for all the stuff I say is one of the best supporters I know, he took a break in his time under, Wilko.

Chansiri isn't perfect and makes errors but he's not the reason I'm not going at present, it's the pure banality of all football, this current way of us attending doesn't even scream wanting to go back, we had half empty stadiums in the 80s for other reasons but at least it was real.

Consilio et Animis 

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#60 24/07/2020 at 18:26

I'm so disinterested in football, not just Wednesday, but given half a bit of hope in it all I'd be back.

I've been everywhere, games miles away in midweek and sometimes a break is as good as we get, Owling, for all the stuff I say is one of the best supporters I know, he took a break in his time under, Wilko.

Chansiri isn't perfect and makes errors but he's not the reason I'm not going at present, it's the pure banality of all football, this current way of us attending doesn't even scream wanting to go back, we had half empty stadiums in the 80s for other reasons but at least it was real.

Reesh1867, 24/07/2020 at 18:06


That right there is something I hear of / read from so many now, read so many things similar from fans across the country differing clubs.

That should be a close second worry to the EFL as the ongoing financial shenanigans thats ongoing at a number of their member clubs.

What this pandemic has proved in the lower leagues is that they CAN'T survive without fans, hence the vote to not continue like the championship and Premier league did behind closed doors.

The September date and potential return of fans shortly after will be a huge shot in the arm for League One and Two clubs, sponsors will now be a little easier to get and i stress a LITTLE, than they have been.

But not to stray into finances too much, just look at the amount of folks who say its not football without fans. Its definitely different and for absolute certain the game wouldnt be anything like it is without our passion.

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