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#46 26/07/2020 at 15:18

Amazing that many parts of China had no virus infections there. 

Fuck 'em. This city will always be ours. 

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Andyben

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#47 26/07/2020 at 15:20

Yeah not a single one

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Reported  

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Owling_Wolf

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#48 26/07/2020 at 16:07



I wear my mask, I've followed the guidance, doesn't mean I have to agree with it. But if I want any semblance of normality I'll do it.
holmesfield_owl, 26/07/2020 at 14:42

They still say the main defences are handwashing and distancing but if masks indoors could add a bit of extra safety, especially when the above are less possible, why not? Hardly a hardship for most of us.  

We must not give opposition teams hope. We have to kill them. 

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#49 26/07/2020 at 19:14


What happens when your fit and healthy match goers, who've enjoyed the new matchday experience and don't now know whether they've got it or not, go home again and mix with folks who perhaps aren't as fit and healthy or as young as them. The friends and family they see regularly or from time to time. Their workmates or members of the public they encounter through their work? Their fellow commuters? The ones who definitely do know when they've got it. The ones who don't live in Scotland or other places with a relatively small population. The ones who probably would find their own, earlier than expected death "dramatic'?
Oh well, at least the fit and healthy who don't need to wear a mask, to compensate for not being able to socially distance in the ground, and don't intend to get inocculated, will have enjoyed their matchday experience, eh?
Funnily enough, I'm not sure I like the potential end result in all this either.
Owling_Wolf, 26/07/2020 at 13:50

A good post, with lots of pertinent questions.

Spreading the virus is natural and unstoppable. You cannot and should not feel guilty about this. However, the following guidance can help:

If you live with a vulnerable member of society, you have to weigh up your options. Attendance at the match isn't mandatory and, if your concerns are so great, maybe it's sensible not to go.

Regarding parents / grandparents, just be careful. You don't need to stop visiting them. A lack of a cuddle or kiss is a reasonable sacrifice. Sit on the opposite side of the room.

My mum is 70. My dad is fast approaching 69. Both are in the age group where, unsurprisingly, the vast majority of the deaths have occurred. I haven't kissed my mum since before lockdown. And I think my auld man may have offered a fist pump at one point but that's about it.

Those you have contact with (workmates, etc.) should follow the same guidance themselves.

Be responsible. Be respectful.

I'm quite happy to work from home, keep my distance when I'm outside and continue washing my hands. I'm also happy to commute and mix with others because the overall risk is negligible. 

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#50 26/07/2020 at 19:34


A good post, with lots of pertinent questions.

Spreading the virus is natural and unstoppable. You cannot and should not feel guilty about this. However, the following guidance can help:

If you live with a vulnerable member of society, you have to weigh up your options. Attendance at the match isn't mandatory and, if your concerns are so great, maybe it's sensible not to go.

Regarding parents / grandparents, just be careful. You don't need to stop visiting them. A lack of a cuddle or kiss is a reasonable sacrifice. Sit on the opposite side of the room.

My mum is 70. My dad is fast approaching 69. Both are in the age group where, unsurprisingly, the vast majority of the deaths have occurred. I haven't kissed my mum since before lockdown. And I think my auld man may have offered a fist pump at one point but that's about it.

Those you have contact with (workmates, etc.) should follow the same guidance themselves.

Be responsible. Be respectful.

I'm quite happy to work from home, keep my distance when I'm outside and continue washing my hands. I'm also happy to commute and mix with others because the overall risk is negligible.
EastCraigsOwl, 26/07/2020 at 19:14



This. Sensible post 

13.11.2010 at 20.51 emre...tbh, Hoylands goal gave me a semi 

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#51 26/07/2020 at 20:10

I'm happy not to go to Hillsborough right now and not for Covid reasons either, 

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#52 26/07/2020 at 20:21

Let's see how "negligible" the risk remains as people mix more and the weather changes. I naturally hope you're right but won't hold my breath meantime.
Also plenty of people seem to be nowhere near as careful and caring as you sound to be. I've seen plenty behaving like there's not a care in the world, and that's before pubs opened. I feel they yet may have ill effect upon us generally. We've all perhaps seen workmates or strangers in pubs that came out of toilet cubicles in ordinary times and didn't bother washing their hands. I wonder how much we can trust such carefree types to behave responsibly in these worrying times.




Post edited on 26/07/2020 at 20:23 by Owling_Wolf

We must not give opposition teams hope. We have to kill them. 

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#53 26/07/2020 at 21:00

Was speaking to a mate yesterday who’s just come back from Spain. They’re all wearing masks out there, no questions asked, no complaints, just doing it.

All those saying they don’t want to wear a mask answer me this. Would you walk round a supermarket barefoot? If not why not? Is wearing shoes a symbol of oppression? 

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#54 26/07/2020 at 21:02



Rules you out then pal
Reesh1867, 26/07/2020 at 11:48


PMSFL  

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#55 26/07/2020 at 21:06


What happens when your fit and healthy match goers, who've enjoyed the new matchday experience and don't now know whether they've got it or not, go home again and mix with folks who perhaps aren't as fit and healthy or as young as them. The friends and family they see regularly or from time to time. Their workmates or members of the public they encounter through their work? Their fellow commuters? The ones who definitely do know when they've got it. The ones who don't live in Scotland or other places with a relatively small population. The ones who probably would find their own, earlier than expected death "dramatic'?
Oh well, at least the fit and healthy who don't need to wear a mask, to compensate for not being able to socially distance in the ground, and don't intend to get inocculated, will have enjoyed their matchday experience, eh?
Funnily enough, I'm not sure I like the potential end result in all this either.
Owling_Wolf, 26/07/2020 at 13:50

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#56 26/07/2020 at 21:44

Was speaking to a mate yesterday who’s just come back from Spain. They’re all wearing masks out there, no questions asked, no complaints, just doing it.

All those saying they don’t want to wear a mask answer me this. Would you walk round a supermarket barefoot? If not why not? Is wearing shoes a symbol of oppression?
Chelters, 26/07/2020 at 21:00


If they don't want to wear a mask, they sure as hell won't want to be hooked up to a ventilator  

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#57 27/07/2020 at 08:20

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#58 27/07/2020 at 08:55

I'm with Owling on this.

It seems people, not most on here I might add, seem to think wearing a mask is about there health - it isn't, it's about them not passing the virus on to others. Yes it's inconvenient and at times uncomfortable but for god sake it isn't that bad.

46,000 people or whatever the number is have died, if that doesn't give a twinge of concern or maybe even guilt I'm not sure what will. Even the clusterfuck of a PM has shown some signs of remorse recently. There a think about statistics by the way and analysis of this type.

As we know the majority of people that have died are the elderly or vulnerable - here's the thing, there are limited number of people in that group and that is also limited by the number that have come into contact with the virus. In other words part of the reason is that it's slowing down is because either those that are likely to die from it already have and those that could haven't yet come into contact with it. So the sensible and cautious thing to do is reduce the risk of those that are likely to die from it. As ECO and others have said this is about limiting the risk to those that could die.

Another way of looking at this is to compare the average mortality rate year on year, it's dropped below the average, why could that be? Maybe it's because earlier in the year so many died from Covid-19, that the danger of over relying on a misunderstanding of what statistics are telling you.

Anyway, I'm over 50 but generally fit e.g. I can run 10km under 55mins so feel I am at the lower end of the risk spectrum, so I will be going to the matches when I can but I can assure you if I don't feel its appropriate I'll stop and be telling the club that I want some other provision in lieu of my season ticket.

This is not about being a snowflake this is about your own mortality and that of those you love. 

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#59 27/07/2020 at 15:38



I bet I'm fitter than Reesh. Last time I saw him he was Obese.
TommyCraig6, 26/07/2020 at 09:31


Fella you need a stair lift to stop you soiling yourself...

Off you fuck.  

Consilio et Animis 

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#60 27/07/2020 at 19:46

The whole of the next football season in England could be played in front of reduced capacities and crowd sizes could be further impacted if chanting is proven to heighten transmission risk, a senior government adviser has said.

The first pilots for the return of crowds to sporting events in England took place with a cricket friendly at The Oval on Sunday, and additional test events are taking place at Edgbaston, the World Snooker Championship and Glorious Goodwood in the next week.

But Professor James Calder - who has chaired the cross-sport working group with government and health officials on the return to sport - has told BBC Sport that sports events are highly unlikely to have full capacity crowds this year.

"I would be very surprised if we could get full stadia back this year," he said. "Realistically I think it probably will need a vaccine and also a high take-up rate of that vaccine before we can really see full capacity stadia."

Asked about whether there was the potential for the entirety of the next football season to be played in front of reduced capacities, he said: "Possible, yep... I think realistically we will be under scrutiny for the next year, certainly this side of Christmas and probably for the rest of the season."

Professor Calder has worked with the major sports, Public Health England and the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport on the different stages of protocols that have enabled sports to return from the lockdown.

In an interview with BBC Sport, he praised the collaboration between the sports, and said it had meant that the resumption of sport had taken place earlier than expected.

He also revealed that experiments are under way to assess whether droplet spread is increased by chanting and singing, and therefore whether there may be a greater risk of coronavirus transmission.

Professor Calder said: "We need to know, actually, does it matter if you're shouting, how far will those droplets spread?

"At a football or a rugby match, the fans are going to be shouting and chanting and singing, I hope, and we need to be sure that the people in front of them are as safe as possible.

"Now if there is no massive droplet spread, well OK, we can keep within the social distancing that we've put down for, say, the Crucible and The Oval. But if it is a problem, then we need to rethink the social distancing within the stadia, and that becomes very difficult."

So if there is an evidential risk, could we see smaller crowds allowed in sports where chanting is more likely?

"Perhaps, I hope that's not going to be the case," Professor Calder said. "But I think we need more information on it, and it's certainly something that we're conscious of."

Professor Calder said that it was "far easier" to see women's sport bounce back faster to nearer a normal capacity than men's football, because venues are not often sold out.

"We can actually promote these sports far more easily and actually get a fanbase going," he said. "So I think it's an opportunity for sports to change the way they are looking at things."

The England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) announced on Monday that there will be two further cricket pilots this weekend, with 2,500 spectators allowed to attend each day of the Bob Willis Trophy matches taking place at The Oval and Edgbaston.

Neil Snowball, the ECB's managing director of county cricket, said: "We're all excited about the start of the county cricket season, and of course we all miss not being able to go and watch as we normally would.

"These two pilots are an important step in testing the government guidance and ensuring we can safely open our grounds again."





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