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#1 30/07/2020 at 10:48

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/foot ball/news/joost-van-aken-garry-monk-18243 654

Aside from the obvious being stated in the article...

Do we think Van Aken could be a good player for us now he's back? 

13.11.2010 at 20.51 emre...tbh, Hoylands goal gave me a semi 

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#2 30/07/2020 at 11:04

He's too lightweight for centre back, but could maybe do a job at left back in a four. Lees was equally to blame for that shitshow against the pigs  

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#3 30/07/2020 at 11:08

He fits in the back 3 easy.  

Consilio et Animis 

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#4 30/07/2020 at 11:42

He fits in the back 3 easy.
Reesh1867, 30/07/2020 at 11:08


this, but needs a proper gobby shithouse in the middle.

Decent alternative to Borner 

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#5 30/07/2020 at 11:45

He fits into the 352 sysyem that Monk wants to play.

Got a decent left peg on him to be fair.

Depends if Monk prefers Borner on the left. 

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#6 30/07/2020 at 12:05

Got to be worth a try in a back 3 surely.

Vocal Centre Back most certainly required. Always liked Hutchinson at Millwall.

Proper shouty beast in the middle, Iorfa at RCB and Van Aken LCB.


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#7 30/07/2020 at 15:30

Got to be worth a try in a back 3 surely.

Vocal Centre Back most certainly required. Always liked Hutchinson at Millwall.

Proper shouty beast in the middle, Iorfa at RCB and Van Aken LCB.


Hirsty's 12th Pint, 30/07/2020 at 12:05


Just can't see that working, Van Aken won't win his battles, which'll expose the shouty beast.  

Of course there are cracks, that's how the light gets in. 

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#8 30/07/2020 at 15:38



Just can't see that working, Van Aken won't win his battles, which'll expose the shouty beast.
Bradders23, 30/07/2020 at 15:30


He's played 16 times for us, in a side that was largely struggling. He can play the ball, and with Iorfa marauding forward from time to time in what seemed like a 'new' sort of role I think it might work in Van Aken's favour to do the same.
In a different system, with different players alongside him AND a different manager.  

13.11.2010 at 20.51 emre...tbh, Hoylands goal gave me a semi 

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#9 30/07/2020 at 16:00



He's played 16 times for us, in a side that was largely struggling. He can play the ball, and with Iorfa marauding forward from time to time in what seemed like a 'new' sort of role I think it might work in Van Aken's favour to do the same.
In a different system, with different players alongside him AND a different manager.
HoylandOwl, 30/07/2020 at 15:38


It'd be nice if you were right Tee...but we need a leader and once we have that I can't see Van Aken getting a game.
Shame and I hope I'm wrong...for what we paid I'd love him to do well.  

Of course there are cracks, that's how the light gets in. 

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#10 30/07/2020 at 18:55

Didn't he have a horror show against Wigan first game of season a couple of seasons ago?  

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#11 30/07/2020 at 19:22

Love how we right played’s off on 16 performances always makes me proud of the fan base...

I recall the fan fair after his first 2 games as well..

Personally think he deserve a chance to stake a claim and people who want to hold performances against the player from over 2 seasons ago ... well you if that’s your view of the world ..  

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#12 30/07/2020 at 19:22

Never, get rid. 

I'll never buy from AXA again! 

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#13 30/07/2020 at 19:26

In a 3 he has a future here, that's based on seeing him play and knowing that's what he played over at Heerenveen.

Playing in a back four was alien to him but he came and did a job that had some on here salivating before the Derby day horror show, but he wasn't alone in being wank that day.

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#14 30/07/2020 at 19:32

Agree that playing a back 3 should suit him. He can certainly pass the ball, but he needs to be physically stronger in this league than he has been.
I do seem to recall though that either stickvis or Ty said when we bought him that we'd signed the wrong Heerenveen defender. 

I ask you will Galway bate Mayo? Not if they have Willie Joe...they haven't a hope of beating Mayo! 

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#15 30/07/2020 at 19:40

Wasn't good enough in German 2nd league. Wasn't good enough here hence played 16 times in 3 seasons. Only reason i see him staying if he's on low wages.  

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#16 30/07/2020 at 19:46

Wasn't good enough in German 2nd league. Wasn't good enough here hence played 16 times in 3 seasons. Only reason i see him staying if he's on low wages.
lbswfc87, 30/07/2020 at 19:40


Watch him a lot in Germany 2nd league did you?  

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#17 30/07/2020 at 19:48

No read reports on Internet. Not hard haha 

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#18 30/07/2020 at 19:54

https://www.footballcritic.com/joost-van- aken/player-matches/24679/season-2019-202 0/22056

Looks like he starts off ok then goes down hill.
See what happens. Personally don't think he will have a future at club. But that's up to Gary Monk  

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#19 30/07/2020 at 19:59

https://www.footballcritic.com/joost-van- aken/player-matches/24679/season-2019-202 0/22056

Looks like he starts off ok then goes down hill.
See what happens. Personally don't think he will have a future at club. But that's up to Gary Monk
lbswfc87, 30/07/2020 at 19:54


Lots of factors not sure that says he wasn’t good enough .. but as your not an avid bundesleague 2 watcher it’s as good as source as any available to us all lol

Monk will weigh him up quickly in the preseason I am sure and I wouldn’t be surprised if he disappears .. but he’s got something and if the new system brings that out of him for our benefit fantastic

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#20 30/07/2020 at 20:12

See what happens. Hopefully does some how fit into place and would save us some money.  

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#21 30/07/2020 at 20:18

https://www.footballcritic.com/joost-van- aken/player-matches/24679/season-2019-202 0/22056

Looks like he starts off ok then goes down hill.
See what happens. Personally don't think he will have a future at club. But that's up to Gary Monk
lbswfc87, 30/07/2020 at 19:54


I hope Garry Monk doesn't have a future at the club.  

Consilio et Animis 

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#22 30/07/2020 at 20:39

Remember going to see us at Cardiff back in 17 and everyone was singing his name before, during and after the game.

Never recovered from the derby game, seemed to completely shoot his confidence. Needed Loovens next to him really.

I think he’s worth another go but not convinced he has a future here.  

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#23 31/07/2020 at 06:26

Remember going to see us at Cardiff back in 17 and everyone was singing his name before, during and after the game.

Never recovered from the derby game, seemed to completely shoot his confidence. Needed Loovens next to him really.

I think he’s worth another go but not convinced he has a future here.
Chelters, 30/07/2020 at 20:39


To me that cardiff game is where the decline started. We were above utd for about 20 mins before Cardiff equalised in the last minute.

Nuhiu coming on as sun and slicing a basic clearance out for a throw and then they scored from the next attack.

A week later....Sick

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#24 31/07/2020 at 09:32

Agree that playing a back 3 should suit him. He can certainly pass the ball, but he needs to be physically stronger in this league than he has been.
I do seem to recall though that either stickvis or Ty said when we bought him that we'd signed the wrong Heerenveen defender.
Baresi, 30/07/2020 at 19:32


I think I said St Juste would be the better player. Went to Feyenoord at the same time we bought Van Aken and for the same money. Feyenoord sold him to Mainz for £9m in 2019 

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#25 31/07/2020 at 09:36

Not according to the search function, the only St Juste you've ever mentioned was in 2015 and winger for St Kitts.  

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#26 31/07/2020 at 11:02

The first sixteen games from Fox and Murphy were nowt to write home about...at the end everyone was clamouring for them to be signed up again for next season. 

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#27 18/08/2020 at 22:01

Didn't he have a horror show against Wigan first game of season a couple of seasons ago?
lbswfc87, 30/07/2020 at 18:55


One of the worst displays I've seen in an Owls shirt in recent times. He looked panicked and lost. So bad, even Jos recognised it and pulled him at half time I think. Mind you, that was also the game where Hutchinson played as a sort of right winger for a while - so it might all have been the terrible tactics of the Dutch mastermind.  

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#28 19/08/2020 at 08:32

The first sixteen games from Fox and Murphy were nowt to write home about...at the end everyone was clamouring for them to be signed up again for next season.
CDLF, 31/07/2020 at 11:02


I'd have kept Fox for the right wages but relatively ambivalent tbh. I suspect he'll have got better wages because he signed on a free for Stoke. So defo not clamouring.

Murphy I'd definitely have back, I must admit I was unimpressed first quarter of the season, particularly at how nesh he was in challenging for some balls, but by the time of the restart he was probably our best player and looked like someone that could make something happen. Unfortunately I can't see him coming back, he'll probably end up at a Championship club pushing top 6, eg Bristol or Florists. 

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#29 19/08/2020 at 11:01



I'd have kept Fox for the right wages but relatively ambivalent tbh. I suspect he'll have got better wages because he signed on a free for Stoke. So defo not clamouring.

Murphy I'd definitely have back, I must admit I was unimpressed first quarter of the season, particularly at how nesh he was in challenging for some balls, but by the time of the restart he was probably our best player and looked like someone that could make something happen. Unfortunately I can't see him coming back, he'll probably end up at a Championship club pushing top 6, eg Bristol or Florists.
Tank_Owl, 19/08/2020 at 08:32


It depends...players aren't just items that can be peddled to the highest bidder, they have preferences themselves. I believe Murphy was happy here so he may want to return whatever the situation. 

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#30 19/08/2020 at 11:14

Fox isn't now and never was good enough for any championship club with ambitions above survival.

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#31 19/08/2020 at 12:20

Fine for us this season then  

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#32 19/08/2020 at 12:30

Fox isn't now and never was good enough for any championship club with ambitions above survival.

Andyben, 19/08/2020 at 11:14


That's bollocks, look at players at the sty. The same would have been said about those, get the right man, build a team and players like Fox capable of playing higher than you or anyone else might think is their level.  

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#33 19/08/2020 at 12:57

Fox wouldnt have got anywhere near their team.

Where would you have played him?  

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#34 19/08/2020 at 12:59

You’re missing the point mate  

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#35 19/08/2020 at 13:10

No, I'm not.

I've long been an admirer of what they've done but simple fact is Fox isn't good enough for us, them or anyone else at this level or above.

Hes shit, everyone knows it but because of the pelters he got from our fans and he still plugged away, trying his best, he became popular.

Palmer was a better left back which I think says it all 

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#36 19/08/2020 at 13:37

Ok let’s put it this way. I’m saying Fox will play at least 30 games and they will be at least top half. Will that prove you wrong?  

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#37 19/08/2020 at 13:56

Yes it would and when he doesn;t and they don't will you admit hes fucking shit? 

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#38 19/08/2020 at 14:58

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#39 19/08/2020 at 14:59

Stoke will go up this season.

I’m tipping Van Aken to come good, he looks a lot fitter this time around. 

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#40 19/08/2020 at 15:02

The fact some rate Fox is why this club will never move forward, the supporters are happy to accept mediocrity as its slightly less mediocre than the past.

How about showing some ambition and wanting things better on and off the pitch 

Happy clapping for 4 years more than Emre 

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#41 19/08/2020 at 15:03

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bartos1976, 19/08/2020 at 14:58


Is that a yes 

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#42 19/08/2020 at 15:25

I'd do a better job than Fox, he's a division 1 player at best. 

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#43 19/08/2020 at 15:40

Stoke will go up this season.

I’m tipping Van Aken to come good, he looks a lot fitter this time around.
HirstysHiTecBoots, 19/08/2020 at 14:59


They'll be up & around, Fox will play and then alot of people will look very very silly 

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#44 19/08/2020 at 15:45



Is that a yes
Andyben, 19/08/2020 at 15:03


It is

I'd do a better job than Fox, he's a division 1 player at best.
owl4ever1867, 19/08/2020 at 15:25


Yet he's played over 100 games in the Championship and just got a move to another Championship club, strange that for a League 1 player wouldn't you say? 

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#45 19/08/2020 at 16:15



I'd have kept Fox for the right wages but relatively ambivalent tbh. I suspect he'll have got better wages because he signed on a free for Stoke. So defo not clamouring.

Murphy I'd definitely have back, I must admit I was unimpressed first quarter of the season, particularly at how nesh he was in challenging for some balls, but by the time of the restart he was probably our best player and looked like someone that could make something happen. Unfortunately I can't see him coming back, he'll probably end up at a Championship club pushing top 6, eg Bristol or Florists.
Tank_Owl, 19/08/2020 at 08:32


Murphy has also been praised by Stephen Gerrard..... So wonder if Rangers will try to snare him.  

13.11.2010 at 20.51 emre...tbh, Hoylands goal gave me a semi 

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#46 19/08/2020 at 16:19

I'm just wondering how a team that came 15th signing two players from the team that came 16th is going to get them promoted.  

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#47 19/08/2020 at 16:55

Fox is ok agree with Bartos. He didn't do anything eye-catching just got on with the job.  

I'll never buy from AXA again! 

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#48 19/08/2020 at 17:12

The fact some rate Fox is why this club will never move forward, the supporters are happy to accept mediocrity as its slightly less mediocre than the past.

How about showing some ambition and wanting things better on and off the pitch
mkowl, 19/08/2020 at 15:02

You can come across a touch paradoxical in your views MK, on the EFL charge thread you're (fairly) admonishing the club for irresponsible spending, then here you're advocating showing some ambition which, given we offered Fox a contract and he signed for another team in the same division (presumably on better terms than we were offering), suggests we need to offer more money than we were offering a 'mediocre' player...which kinda flies in the face of your other point. 

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#49 19/08/2020 at 19:15

Fox was/is a below average Championship player who is young enough to improve. He’s left a current bottom third team, to join another current bottom third team.

We wanted to keep him.

We do have options, in a five we can play Harris, Reach and Penney. In a four, Penney and Reach, who based on previous evidence, and as a natural full back, are worse than Fox.

So, in short. If we want to not be a bottom third side, and will play a four, we need a left back. If we are going to persist with a five, we don’t, but we do need a right wing back. 

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#50 19/08/2020 at 20:27

The fact some rate Fox is why this club will never move forward, the supporters are happy to accept mediocrity as its slightly less mediocre than the past.

How about showing some ambition and wanting things better on and off the pitch
mkowl, 19/08/2020 at 15:02


Isn't it more recognising that a player who was awful at the start of his Wednesday career has improved no end, and looked like a very good player at the end.

Average his whole time at Wednesday out and your analysis is spot on; take it from when he started his upturn in form and I'd argue he's loads better than you're giving him credit for.

What does the future hold for him is the question. If he continues to play like he was, or even improves more then he'll be a loss. If he reverts back to more like his early Wednesday form then he'll be no loss.

It'll be interesting to see how he goes on at Stoke. 

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