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Otto_Man

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#16 25/10/2020 at 20:35



He’s got a worse record than Jos.
Owling_mad_murdoch, 25/10/2020 at 20:25

Semantics, even a stopped clock is right twice a day. 

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MidlandsOwl

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#17 25/10/2020 at 20:52

Jack Charlton,Howard Wilkinson,Ron Atkinson andTrevor Francis (ish)
The sum total of decent managers we've had in my years of supporting Wednesday,
A disgrace on the whole succession of people running this club including the present incumbent
The fans always deserve better of course but by Christ when we can see the bottom of the shitpan we're heading and the people who can and should do something about it don't seem to give a shite
Then why should we....but we do, idiots the lot of us

We need pushbacks Bradley 

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Tank_Owl

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#18 25/10/2020 at 21:45

Any manager that losses the fans support is generally going to be considered a bad manager.

It's potentially splitting hairs but in my view Jos was a worse manager than the incumbent. For one reason, Jos had a squad that could have achieved a top half place at least and potentially top 6. The season before they had and when he left with a few additions they could have snook into the top 6 if the 3 Steves had arrived earlier.

Monk has until this season been dealt a difficult hand, no pre season later season, a points deduction hanging over the club, no real money to invest and now an actual points deduction. Many managers would struggle.

Having said all of that I'm no fan of Monk and he's still got to prove himself. I imagine if the fans were in the ground with the record at home we have now DC would be hearing and seeing more of the unrest. So for the time being it will be results that determine how long he has.

The question is, if he was kicked out who would you get in? I don't think it's likely he will get the boot until Christmas at the earliest. I'm sure he will make out that it takes time to bed in so many new players etc and provided we are gradually catching the bottom few clubs DC might give him the benefit of the doubt.

A replacement at Christmas could currently be in a job for all we know and could also be one of the unknowns from outside the U.K., look at the last 3 Barnsley have had as Head Coach.

Btw I don't thinkFrancis was that great a manager, he was lucky to inherit a good team and a good assistant. Once he lost the nucleus of the team he inherited the club went backwards. He was one of those that couldn't manage the big characters, hence why Pearson went early on. However, all of that is forgiven for the fact he signed Mr Christopher Waddle and gave us the pleasure of seeing him play at a time when he was like a vintage red wine.

The worst manager since I started watching us in the early 70s is a tough question. As Bricat and a few others have suggested we had some real stooges, but in a way I don't blame them I blame the muppets that appointed them and for not taking proper advice or being willing to pay more for a good coach. Look at what difference it's made to Everton. Even for the fleeting period we had Bruce the purpose and plan was tangible. So the likes of Turner, Burtenshaw, Irvine, Jos and now Monk will always have been bad appointments if they were not suited to the club, what I mean is, if the club wasn't able to develop or wasn't strong enough or stable enough for them to find their feet and work things out then it was bound to fail. Whereas the really good managers don't need time to make an impact and suss out what needs doing, e.g. Wilko and Big Jack. Even BFR took time to get it right. So don't be too hard on Monk even if he isn't showing signs of making progress. I don't think he's the worst we've had, even if his stats don't look good.

So, the only way I see us moving forward in double quick time is getting a coach of the calibre of Wilko or Big Jack and I suspect that won't be any find for anyone including DC. 

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#19 25/10/2020 at 22:06

Jewell, Yorath and Irvine were crap but they also had terrible squads. Monk doesn’t have that excuse.  

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#20 25/10/2020 at 22:23

I would include Harry Catterick in that list of great managers but we all know why he left. Joe Baker, imho, would have been a good buy at the time but the god said no.  

Fuck 'em. This city will always be ours. 

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#21 25/10/2020 at 23:22

Irvine had the biggest budget in L1, by a country mile and we were mid table when he got the bullet.

Scandalous, I know, as I will be forever grateful for that day at Wembley in 91, but BFR wasn't as good as our rose tinted view remembers him to be...can only imagine the abuse if Monk had us 2-0 up away at Millwall and we threw it away to lose 4-2 

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#22 25/10/2020 at 23:22

Jos was fucking horrific, but didnt he have about 10 players out? And we did have a few games end of that season.. Preston, Norwich, cannot remember a home game with monk in charge with a shred of excitement

He should have resigned after Blackburn back in January  

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#23 25/10/2020 at 23:32

Speaking of fucking shit managers...

Danny Wilson, now there’s another who killed my passion for the wednesday  

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#24 25/10/2020 at 23:40


Semantics, even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
Otto_Man, 25/10/2020 at 20:35


Not necessarily. Just consider that your stopped clock was on a plane flying west. Under the right circumstances the clock may never have the right time. I've often heard this statement and scoffed to myself.Bigsmile  

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#25 26/10/2020 at 06:27

The point - Monk has to prove himself

He basically isn't going to. This is as good as it will get.

He is incredibly limited in what he can achieve. It starts with team selections which he constantly gets wrong for the opposition we are facing.

Happy clapping for 4 years more than Emre 

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#26 26/10/2020 at 08:54

What we saw yesterday, we saw 20+ times last season.

I’ll give him some credit when I think he’s at least trying something different.

Yesterday was the worst of last season.

No shape. Players playing out of position, to suit a system that we don’t have the depth of squad to play. Setting up to maybe sneak a goal, at home. Being outwitted by the opposition manager in every game, because they know we have no alternatives. No tempo. Bannan being allowed to dictate every game when the game works better when Bannan is only one of eleven.

I know we were without some decent players but that performance was inexcusable and was 100% the type of game that a good manager would have changed something about, early enough in the game, to get something from it.

We absolutely know that in situations like yesterday, the worst is coming.
Supercockle, 25/10/2020 at 16:34


This sums up my feelings exactly. But our problem is that in our situation it will be nigh on impossible to replace Monk with a Messiah...cos that's what most of you seem to want. It's not going to happen. So Monk and his staff and the players have to get their fingers out of their arses and secure this clubs position in the Championship this season. If you you want to vent your ire about the performances get on your social media accounts and give Monk and his players both barrels...whilst remaining respectful.
Slagging them off on here is a pointless exercise. 

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owl4ever1867

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#27 26/10/2020 at 10:44

IF Monk was to get the boot.....

Who would we have in.... 

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Andyben

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#28 26/10/2020 at 10:47

We missed Nuhiu, problem is, we're still playing as if he's here 

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#29 26/10/2020 at 11:08

IF Monk was to get the boot.....

Who would we have in....
owl4ever1867, 26/10/2020 at 10:44


In our situation we need an experienced old skool manager so that rules out the likes of Lowe & Cowleys

Pearson, McCarthy or Megson is where we should be looking in my opinion

Maybe not needed though if Monk showed some adaptability  

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#30 26/10/2020 at 11:09

IF Monk was to get the boot.....

Who would we have in....
owl4ever1867, 26/10/2020 at 10:44
Paul Cook maybe? 

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