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tylluan

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#1 29/10/2020 at 12:46

I'm taking this away from the Rotherham game thread as the posts seem to be heading in this direction.

Whatever you might think we're 'stuck' with our current owner. If he sells up then he's going to want to see some kind of claw back on his purchase fee (£40m?) his funding over the past five years (another £40-50m) and another of his 'companies' owns the ground (although I believe they've only paid the first payment of £6m)
Unless we find someone with upwards of £70m then he's stuck with us and we're stuck with him. And who's to say the next owner would be any better? Wouldn't asset strip us (in some eyes even more) or put us in so much debt to fund their purchase and running that we financially implode.

This is only my view (in case anything gets legal down the line) but I don't think Dephjon Chansiri has any real knowledge of running a business. When he first turned up everyone and their dog tried to find out more about his business activities. No-one has found anything. He supposedly runs a construction business in his homeland but you can't find his name on any list of directorships or ownerships on anything. But he gets his money from somewhere and I think that's solely from his shares in TUF.
But I still believe he wants to make this work. He wants to succeed as a club owner and wants the best for us.

So what does he need to do to turn his club around?
He needs to stop thinking he can do it all himself and from thousands of miles away. He needs to think more like his father and get the right people in the right positions. He needs to become an owner and not a CEO.
I think we need the following top to bottom restructure.

1. A Chief Operating Officer that's permanently on the ground and at the head of the whole thing. Definitely not a football person but a business person. This is the organisation head. Borrow one from TUF if he needs to, with a £7bn turnover they seem to be doing something right. Make them employees of Sheffield 3, so the wage doesn't affect club FFP, and give them the title Stadium COO so it fits in the sales purchase.

2. Two positions under the COO.
A club operations officer who's responsible for all financials, the day to day running, the media, the shop, the fixtures and fittings.
A Football operations manager. Responsible for every aspect of the professional side of the game within the club. The scouting, the u18s, u23s, first team. Someone the manager/coach reports to and can count on of needs be. Someone who asks questions as to why certain players aren't playing, sorts the loans and the transfers out. Doesn't have to be an ex player. Half of the best Germans in this type of role have never played at BL2 or above. They're ex HR managers used to dealing with contracts.

We also need to completely revamp our youth set up from Under 16s upwards. Scrap the lot, coaches, set up, everything.
What's the point of having an academy if you're not getting the players come through? It becomes a waste of money to be paying u18s and u23s over a grand a week to wave them out the door at the end of it all. That's just pissing money up a wall.
There is no need for a 'club identity' way of playing throughout the academy system. You do not need for all of the teams to be playing the same way. You play the way that suits the players you've got. That way it brings the best out of them.
We don't have the academy status to attract the better kids so work with the next best option. Create the conveyor belt.
We also need to work better with the players we have. You look at the size and strength of our players. We're producing lightweights who can hack it in the u23 league but look like u10s in the Championship. We might work on their skills but we don't work on their core, which is probably why they struggle to find other clubs when they leave us.

We did this and inside 18 months we'd have green shoots that could only grow.  

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Laceups

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#2 29/10/2020 at 12:56

I wish I had your patience to write this sort of stuff. I agree wholeheartedly but it will never happen in a million years. 

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HoylandOwl

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#3 29/10/2020 at 13:35

Interesting post Ty.  

13.11.2010 at 20.51 emre...tbh, Hoylands goal gave me a semi 

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owl4ever1867

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#4 29/10/2020 at 13:43

You would be someone to bring into SWFC if I had my way, love reading yours & KM posts, very well respected on here.

Great insight again Ty. 

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mkowl

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#5 29/10/2020 at 13:47

I am not sure any of us could argue with that Ty

I certainly bow to your superior knowledge on the football operations side

the business side is run like a few of my small clients are - not how a £40m turnover business should be  

Happy clapping for 4 years more than Emre 

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OWL71

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#6 29/10/2020 at 13:56

I agree strongly with the stuff in the OP about structure. The most disappointing thing about the Chansiri era is the failure to build the club on strong foundations. He relies on Doyen for a while, then realises they’re taking the piss and gets rid. Bruce comes in and predictably wants to bring guys he’s worked with before to be in charge of recruitment. Then he gets a better offer and buggers off. Monk comes in and brings in some of his own coaches and scouts, and on current performances how long will he be here for? It’s a textbook example of how football clubs haemorrhage money without doing particularly well on the pitch.

The example I would cite of how it could have been done is Southampton after the Marcus Liebherr takeover. The new owner appoints a CEO. This is somebody who knows how to put a management structure in place. It doesn’t need to be anybody who’s worked in football before, but it possibly does need to be somebody who is at least a football fan. The CEO then appoints a DOF/technical director/sporting director/whatever you want to call the position. This needs to be somebody who knows scouting and youth development, a person with encyclopaedic football knowledge. It does not need to be a “name” or a proven great coach. This person then appoints the first team manager. 

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HoylandOwl

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#7 29/10/2020 at 14:00

I can see why the DOF model works, but you've also got to get the right manager who would work that way. With someone effectively signing players for them and not always ones that are recommended by the manager/first team coach.

I suppose there is an argument that going that route is a little more accepted these days by clubs in general so there are more managers used to it too.



13.11.2010 at 20.51 emre...tbh, Hoylands goal gave me a semi 

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CDLF

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#8 29/10/2020 at 14:56

You know, all these different structures at clubs and for every one that proves a success, there will be one using the same structure that fails. Football is unique in businesses in that it relies on results on a pitch to quantify success or failure.

If you think back to successful teams over the years, the one model that stands out is the club with a top autocratic manager who is a fit for that club.

Think Wenger, Fergusson, Clough, Alardice, Gradi, Dyche, Nicholson, Shankly, Busby, Chapman....the list goes on. All these managers had something else in common, they all had a tried and trusted lieutenant and a top scout/talent spotter.

If you go back historically, you'll find the pattern goes back to the very early days of football. So, in my opinion, the most important person at the club is the manager, not the head coach, because that is a different role altogether.

We've flirted with that on a couple of occasions but have never had a really top man in charge and will continue with mediocrity until one day we do.





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tylluan

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#9 29/10/2020 at 14:58

Southampton is a great example but in my world there wouldn't be a DOF. My football operations manager would appoint people under him to look after the scouting and recruitment. They'd be the football men. The man above is like a mini CEO of the football side of things. He's the recruiter.

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#10 29/10/2020 at 15:14

DC needs to get on the phone to the guys running Leicester and see how they do things.  

Wath & Florida Owl 

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mkowl

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#11 29/10/2020 at 15:58

In terms of a club that is based in Edinburgh and is not Hibs then a chap I know is doing exactly the role for their owner that DC has always needed  

Happy clapping for 4 years more than Emre 

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TommyCraig6

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#12 29/10/2020 at 16:20

owl4ever1867 is right Steve. You should be telling Chansiri what to do. As you say, DC isn't even a businessman but a lot of fans think that just because he is loaded he must know what he is doing. It's a pity Mandaric didn't do a bit more research but for him it was all about getting the money he wanted

I agree that it looks like we are stuck with him but if things don't change we are only going one way.  

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TommyCraig6

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#13 29/10/2020 at 17:16

What I am finding most depressing is the fact that many fans are thinking about withdrawing their support. I hope Chansiri is aware of this and if so he should be very worried.  

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Tank_Owl

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#14 29/10/2020 at 18:52

Some interesting stuff here.

The frustrating thing for me and I'm sure for many of you is that our club should have the horsepower with right owner to be able to compete with the likes of Southampton, Leicester and Wolves as benchmarks. Indeed Southampton and Leicester have been through some tricky times and come through it with the right nurturing. So why can't we. Even our scruffy neighbors have managed it. I think the key is the right head coach/ manager but I'm sure some won't agree. 

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MAL

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#15 29/10/2020 at 19:49

Some interesting stuff here.

The frustrating thing for me and I'm sure for many of you is that our club should have the horsepower with right owner to be able to compete with the likes of Southampton, Leicester and Wolves as benchmarks. Indeed Southampton and Leicester have been through some tricky times and come through it with the right nurturing. So why can't we. Even our scruffy neighbors have managed it. I think the key is the right head coach/ manager but I'm sure some won't agree.
Tank_Owl, 29/10/2020 at 18:52


No offence intended to you, but...

The Leicester model can go and getfucked.

Any club that folds, screws everybody for their money, then opens again as a new club/company whilst throwing money at it should start at the lowest rung.

Absolute disgrace that this is allowed to happen.

But what do you expect from these bentfuckers in football.

And, breath  

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