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Reesh1867

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#46 07/01/2021 at 17:11

Conservatives I know are thoroughly fed up with Johnson and agree that he is out of his depth.

Yes. I do know some. I share journey's to Hillsborough with a Tory. Known him for 35 years and count him as a friend. Some of us are more interested in politics than some but anyone with a modicom of intelligence should see that Johnson is a conman.

TommyCraig6, 07/01/2021 at 14:41


Oh the sweet fucking irony.  

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Reesh1867

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#47 07/01/2021 at 17:11

Johnson to ask business leaders which EU rules they want to ditch. Goodbye to working safeguards, company pensions, paid sick leave.

The race to the bottom has begun. Unions will not be consulted.
TommyCraig6, 07/01/2021 at 16:50


Unions are scum. 

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CDLF

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#48 07/01/2021 at 17:24

Johnson to ask business leaders which EU rules they want to ditch. Goodbye to working safeguards, company pensions, paid sick leave.

The race to the bottom has begun. Unions will not be consulted.
TommyCraig6, 07/01/2021 at 16:50


WOW! Wow

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Bradders23

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#49 07/01/2021 at 17:48



WOW! Wow
CDLF, 07/01/2021 at 17:24


CDLF if you think that's a WOW! wait until you read about Charter Cities. Hannan is a long term fan, is as Sunak and in the end, this is what the whole thing has been about.  

Of course there are cracks, that's how the light gets in. 

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#50 07/01/2021 at 17:57

Unions don't represent the 'worker' like they did after World War 2.
They stopped doing that the moment their chief execs started awarding themselves salaries their membership could only dream of earning, unless they won the lottery.
The excuse of 'we have to earn that much to be non corruptable' is on a par with the excuses used by MPs when awarding themselves 10% and giving emergency services 2%.
Unions are now businesses and run as such. You need only take a look at where the major unions 'invest' to see that.
They're toothless because they have less than 40% membership in most areas of work. THough there are pockets of 80+% in some services there will always be strike breakers because people need to put food on the table.
(See how effective GMBs call for strike will be at Centrica)
No one wants to join and that's purely the fault of the union's themselves.

There was an opinion poll conducted just before Christmas, comparing against the same time last year, where the Conservative party and the Government bombed massively in the trust stakes but Johnson's personal stats stayed more or less the same as when he won the election.
But the Conservatives didn't lose ground as Labour crashed even more and Starmer's popularity sank without a trace.  

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#52 07/01/2021 at 20:34



Unions are scum.
Reesh1867, 07/01/2021 at 17:11


Until we need them  

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Reesh1867

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#53 07/01/2021 at 22:35



Until we need them
bartos1976, 07/01/2021 at 20:34


Never used nor needed one.  

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#54 08/01/2021 at 00:53

You might do one day  

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TommyCraig6

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#55 08/01/2021 at 09:13

Unions don't represent the 'worker' like they did after World War 2.
They stopped doing that the moment their chief execs started awarding themselves salaries their membership could only dream of earning, unless they won the lottery.
The excuse of 'we have to earn that much to be non corruptable' is on a par with the excuses used by MPs when awarding themselves 10% and giving emergency services 2%.
Unions are now businesses and run as such. You need only take a look at where the major unions 'invest' to see that.
They're toothless because they have less than 40% membership in most areas of work. THough there are pockets of 80+% in some services there will always be strike breakers because people need to put food on the table.
(See how effective GMBs call for strike will be at Centrica)
No one wants to join and that's purely the fault of the union's themselves.

There was an opinion poll conducted just before Christmas, comparing against the same time last year, where the Conservative party and the Government bombed massively in the trust stakes but Johnson's personal stats stayed more or less the same as when he won the election.
But the Conservatives didn't lose ground as Labour crashed even more and Starmer's popularity sank without a trace.
tylluan, 07/01/2021 at 17:57



Can't agree with you Ty and I don't think you'd expect me to. There has never been a greater need for union membership than today.
The remuneration gap is obscene. People seem to think that if they get their head down and work hard they will be rewarded either with promotion or a pay rise. The problem with the union movement is that there are too many and yes, union leaders are not willing to relinquish their bit of power.

Human nature being as it is leads to arsehole creeping and favours. You only have to look at who's governing us to realise that! Johnson won't put up with anyone who dares to rock the boat, hence the removal of DECENT conservatives. It's because of unions that workers are protected by health and safety standards, receive sick and holiday pay and free legal representation. How many workers receive that if they are not unionised? I suggest some on here read Engels' Conditions of the English Working Class. Who improved their conditions? It certainly wasn't the bosses. It was only when the workers started organising themselves that conditions improved. Today we have zero hours contracts, no sick or holiday pay no free legal representation and these workers will not be unionised. Johnson now wants business leaders to take away the benefits that unions have fought for.



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TommyCraig6

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#56 08/01/2021 at 13:13

The man is utterly toxic, a threat to his own country and its citizens. Including the purblind berks who still seek to do his selfish bidding.
Owling_Wolf, 07/01/2021 at 00:05


This lunatic has the nuclear attack code at his fingertips! He is now condemning violence after he incited his scum followers. Our government ministers who have sucked up to him listed including Johnson and Gove. Then there is twat Farage.

Wonder what the Trump fans on here think about him now. 

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tylluan

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#57 08/01/2021 at 18:17




Can't agree with you Ty and I don't think you'd expect me to. There has never been a greater need for union membership than today.
The remuneration gap is obscene. People seem to think that if they get their head down and work hard they will be rewarded either with promotion or a pay rise. The problem with the union movement is that there are too many and yes, union leaders are not willing to relinquish their bit of power.

Human nature being as it is leads to arsehole creeping and favours. You only have to look at who's governing us to realise that! Johnson won't put up with anyone who dares to rock the boat, hence the removal of DECENT conservatives. It's because of unions that workers are protected by health and safety standards, receive sick and holiday pay and free legal representation. How many workers receive that if they are not unionised? I suggest some on here read Engels' Conditions of the English Working Class. Who improved their conditions? It certainly wasn't the bosses. It was only when the workers started organising themselves that conditions improved. Today we have zero hours contracts, no sick or holiday pay no free legal representation and these workers will not be unionised. Johnson now wants business leaders to take away the benefits that unions have fought for.

TommyCraig6, 08/01/2021 at 09:13
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Tommy you're possibly right re there's never been a greater need for a combined shop floor voice.
But look at the pay rise (and London flat and pension) McClusky awarded himself after he'd negotiated a 1.5% increase for his UNITE membership. Under extreme pressure he paid the union 75% of what they paid for it but he did it four years later when the valuation had tripled. He now owns a London property that is worth a million more than the union paid for it.
And UNITE aren't exactly investigating in ethical practices either.
Unison, GMB, PFA, all the union's are run for profit, not for membership.

Why should someone on minimum wage pay into that?
I sit on quite a lot of hearings on the day job and the company working regs are so tight 90% of the time the union's don't stand a chance and pay lip service to it. Representation is part of membership but they know they're going to lose so just turn up and try to argue for leniency. The only time they win is if a manger hasn't followed the regs.

Company contracts and working practices are now written by lawyers and water tight. Back in the day they were written by the company and were full of holes to exploit. Not anymore 

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TommyCraig6

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#58 08/01/2021 at 18:54

Gordon Taylor another example. Highest paid union leader i think.

I agree that a lot of union leaders are overpaid and in the past they were happy to enter the Lords on retirement. However there are some decent union leaders. Leaving the EU isn't going to help anyone in the workplace unless you are a boss. 

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Bradders23

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#59 08/01/2021 at 19:21

Trump arranged a listening party with his cohorts to watch the riots unfold, they are seen enjoying it on video and encouraging the rioters to "fight".
Typing that sentence...it's crazy but nobody can say they weren't warned that the guy is unhinged.

Reports that off duty Police and forces were among the rioters and they showed their badges to the cops there to get through.  

Of course there are cracks, that's how the light gets in. 

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tylluan

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#60 08/01/2021 at 19:54

I was reading today where Washington DC is a unique authority district and is fucked protection wise.
For administration reasons it doesn't belong to a state so doesn't have a governor so it has no authority to call out the national guard. It has a metro police force that has no jurisdiction in Capitol buildings and a Capitol police that has no jurisdiction outside of the buildings.

The problem the next administration has is the National Guard and the armed forces.
Would American reservists (Or even the regulars) shoot at American citizens if given the order?
Cos the rednecks would have no issue discharging their assault rifles in defence of their warped version of democracy.
Several interviewed said America's democratic values were based on armed insurrection against an establishment they didn't agree with.
And you just know the idiots saying this are ex gulf war/Afghan/Mogadishu vets with private arsenals hidden in the basement and training to back it up.

How many of the current armed forces would refuse to fire on white Americans? On vets? How many would switch sides?

This has got to be on Biden's mind 

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