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TommyCraig6

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#1 22/12/2020 at 20:27

All you Brexiteers will be pleased to learn that all French and other EU nationals will be allowed back out of UK if they test negative for Covid.

Government instructions for Tier 4 council district (Hertfordshire) sent to Tier 1 district council, Herefordshire. Just about sums these incompetents up. 

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Skamp

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#2 22/12/2020 at 21:34

Sorry, what are you on about?

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TommyCraig6

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#3 23/12/2020 at 09:42

Sorry, what are you on about?

Skamp, 22/12/2020 at 21:34


What I'm saying is we can't even get out of our own country. I thought leaving the EU meant we took back control. That was the gospel according to Brexiteers wan't it?

My other comment just highlighted what a set of incompetents are running the country.
Bet Johnson doesn't last 4 years. 

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TommyCraig6

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#4 23/12/2020 at 09:51

Sorry, what are you on about?

Skamp, 22/12/2020 at 21:34


SHOULD HAVE READ TEST POSITIVE. 

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Skamp

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#5 23/12/2020 at 10:28

This thread really does show you up Tommy.

Brexit and Covid aren't in the slightest connected yet somehow you've made a connection.

Tell you what this past couple if days has proved though. The EU really do need our custom. All the lorries are RETURNING to France EMPTY and it also shows you how fucking dim the French are by stranding loads of their, and other member state workers, the wrong side of the Channel at Christmas.

The working man shit on by the French. let that sink in.

Glad we've told the whole fucking corrupt set of c**ts to fucking do one.

PS. Let's hope folk remember this and don't holiday there or buy their shit cars in future.  

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CDLF

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#6 23/12/2020 at 12:03

This thread really does show you up Tommy.

Brexit and Covid aren't in the slightest connected yet somehow you've made a connection.

Tell you what this past couple if days has proved though. The EU really do need our custom. All the lorries are RETURNING to France EMPTY and it also shows you how fucking dim the French are by stranding loads of their, and other member state workers, the wrong side of the Channel at Christmas.

The working man shit on by the French. let that sink in.

Glad we've told the whole fucking corrupt set of c**ts to fucking do one.

PS. Let's hope folk remember this and don't holiday there or buy their shit cars in future.
Skamp, 23/12/2020 at 10:28


He's just aping Starmer who has been trying to link covid with the Tories from day one.  

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TommyCraig6

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#7 23/12/2020 at 12:23

What Brirish cars are we supposed to buy?

The working man shit on? They know all about that from Johnson and his pals who can move into the House of Lords if they donate enough cash.

You'll be suggesting the working man should join a union next. 

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Andyben

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#8 23/12/2020 at 12:35

The House of Lords is corrupted from top to bottom.

Every single party does it, especially since the unfortunate abolition of hereditary peers sitting, but what the fck has that got to do with anything?  

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CDLF

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#9 23/12/2020 at 13:53

[quote post_date='23/12/2020 at 12:23' user_id='TommyCraig6']What Brirish cars are we supposed to buy?

The working man shit on? They know all about that from Johnson and his pals who can move into the House of Lords if they donate enough cash.

You'll be suggesting the working man should join a union next.[/quote]


It was the British working man and his unions that shut down the British motor industry. 

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Skamp

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#10 23/12/2020 at 14:27

AKA Derek Robinson to his friends.

Still,power to the people and all that.  

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Reesh1867

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#11 30/12/2020 at 14:28

How did I miss this spectacular cluster fuck  

Consilio et Animis 

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Andyben

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#12 30/12/2020 at 14:30

Booze 

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Andyben

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#13 31/12/2020 at 22:45

Done.


Merry Brexmas 

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CDLF

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#14 06/01/2021 at 13:11

All you Brexiteers will be pleased to learn that all French and other EU nationals will be allowed back out of UK if they test negative for Covid.

Government instructions for Tier 4 council district (Hertfordshire) sent to Tier 1 district council, Herefordshire. Just about sums these incompetents up.
TommyCraig6, 22/12/2020 at 20:27


Ayup Tommy,

Have you seen what an almighty cock up the EU are making of the acquisition and distribution of coronavirus vaccines. A cock up by the way that will cost thousands of EU citizens lives. Still, never mind, as long as they are displaying their Europhile credentials and all the burials are up to European standards. They haf rules you know...rules which must be obeyed.

https://www.google.com/url?client=interna l-element-cse&cx=007858181675780794431:gk 9fbflvgoa&q=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/b usiness/2021/01/05/changed-utterly-change d-vaccine-blunder-shook-europe/&sa=U&ved= 2ahUKEwj6jbPRsIfuAhV5Q0EAHSr1AuUQFjADegQI BxAB&usg=AOvVaw1_0ZM7tJNNTXsoNBI7SwcS

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Andyben

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#15 06/01/2021 at 13:13

EU Pressured by MAcron to buy 300m doses of the French vaccine, which currently doesn't work and been put back to Q4 2021 at the earlieast... 

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Andyben

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#16 06/01/2021 at 13:14

So, no queues at ports, no food shortage, no medicine shortage, FTSE up, GBP up, what went wrong with Project Fear Tommy?

Actually, there are food shortages casued nby Brexit, in France 

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bricat

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#17 06/01/2021 at 13:42

The supermarket selling more British products than any other store has been named as Aldi. 

Fuck 'em. This city will always be ours, but the club SADLY won't. 

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Andyben

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#18 06/01/2021 at 13:45

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#19 06/01/2021 at 13:47

Lets not pretend we're getting vaccinations right here, delays due to glass tube shortages, Jesus we've known for nearly a year now that these would be needed. And then there is the more serious policy of doses being given 12 weeks apart despite Pfizer saying no trials were conducted in this way and they can't guarantee full effective protection, poor decision that. I can't be arsed to get to much in to a Brexit debate but i maintain what we've got is not as good as what we had 

Post edited on 06/01/2021 at 13:49 by bartos1976

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Andyben

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#20 06/01/2021 at 13:53

Lol 

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bricat

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#21 06/01/2021 at 13:53

As the EU has never had its accounts audited and signed off, perhaps we will never know but the lack of willingness to allow auditing poses many .questions. 

Fuck 'em. This city will always be ours, but the club SADLY won't. 

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Skamp

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#22 06/01/2021 at 13:53

And I believe it is.

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Andyben

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#23 06/01/2021 at 16:12

In the end, he couldn’t help himself. Emmanuel Macron just had to mention Brexit in his traditional television New Year address to the nation. It was “born of many lies and false promises”, he said. Yes, Britons would remain “our neighbours, friends and allies”, but France’s sovereignty lay “in Europe”. In 2020, we had “protected our interests, our industries, our fishermen and our European unity”.

Macron faces an uphill re-election campaign a year from now. The youngest president of the French Republic ever, the first to wave as many blue-and-gold EU flags as tricolours during his victorious 2017 campaign, he got the top job because he looked different from all the tired political warhorses from either side. But Macron has now lost his mojo: to gilets jaunes protests, pensions reform unrest and, finally, to Covid.

Each time, he was, with some reason, accused of being elitist, out of touch, contemptuous of the common people. He believes even more European integration will save both France and his bacon (he doesn’t really see a difference). And increasingly, both his technocratic inclination and political calculations push him to Britain-bashing. Hence his vindictiveness in the last days before Boris Johnson’s Christmas deal, including the closure of the border.

At the last minute, EU Commission president Ursula von der Leyen had to take over the brunt of the negotiation, to prevent the no-deal the French professed to “prefer to a bad deal”. This outlook is largely due to the smug anti-British sentiment that has prevailed since the 2016 referendum among the French chattering classes, Macron’s natural habitat.

I remember, barely a week after the Leave victory, attending a public conference of Paris Europlace, the body representing the bulk of French financial institutions, most of which are headed and peopled by the exact type of technocrat embodied by Macron. “We shall feast on the carcass of the City of London,” the Europlace then-president announced, to near-universal glee in the audience. The general attitude was “kick the Brits out, don’t yield an inch, they never were Europeans at heart”.

Over the past four and a half years, I have taken part in scores of French television debates, and the tone never varied. The notion of a choice motivated by a desire for political sovereignty was always pooh-poohed. Brexit was only ever a trick perpetrated to satisfy Boris’s naked ambition; a cruel joke played by an Eton-educated cynic and his cohorts.

As it happens, I’ve always seen Brexit as a bit of an own goal. It seemed to me that when you’re the second or third-largest economy in the bloc, you can push things your way from the inside. I also saw the benefit of having a truly free-trading country, which also happened to be France’s only serious military partner, in the EU mix. But for the first time since this all started I’ve become so angry with the EU (and with my own country ’s leaders ) that my heart now supports the Brexiteers.

After one too many TV debates when, just because I tried to explain the Leavers’ motivations, I got talked down by assorted representatives of the European establishment, each more dismissive and self-satisfied than the other, the current omnishambles of the EU’s health policy power grab was the last straw.

Health remains broadly outside the purview of the EU – or at least it does for now. The collective purchasing of vaccines by the 27 was intended to show how much more efficient the EU would be than individual nations. But, as was superbly uncovered by the German news magazine Der Spiegel, this was one case of mission creep too far. While Britain started to vaccinate in droves, the EU’s vaccination campaign was delayed for weeks because they chose to buy from six suppliers equal amounts of doses even though three of those – national champions like France’s Sanofi – are years away from producing a vaccine.

Germany’s excellent health minister, Jens Spahn, eventually forced his government to buy separately tens of millions of Pfizer vaccine doses. I’m afraid we French went the opposite way. Our Vaccination Czar was wheeled out to say that it was an excellent thing that the process was so slow – just as back in March we were told that we didn’t need masks because we had none available – because the logistics chain for the Pfizer vaccine was not fit for purpose.

In both cases, we have needed the EU like a fish needs a bicycle. British friends, you were right all along.  

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Bradders23

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#24 06/01/2021 at 16:58

Lost share trading

To put a bit of balance to this thread. The City has lost it's European share business which in turn means less pounds in the Govt's coffers.

Somebody mentioned the lorry drivers stuck here being a French own goal. Sorry but I politely beg to differ. It was Johnson who wheeled Hancock out to do the media rounds to say the virus was out of control, of course France (and others) would react to protect their borders (oh the irony!)

But back to the lorry drivers, we absolutely need them to come over to deliver goods, they account for around 95% of incoming freight - after this experience many will not want to risk getting caught again and they'll simply turn down EU/UK work in preference for plentiful EU/EU work with no additional paperwork requirements - (which in itself is going to become a huge issue). There simply aren't anywhere near enough UK drivers who could take the slack if it does become a problem, and even if there were, there aren't enough permits and even if you get over those 2 things, the profit in having UK drivers is slim to non existent so those increases that hauliers would have to make to ensure a profit margin will make their way down the line to the consumer. The Road Haulage Association have been making this very argument for a long time.

Oh and if anybody wants to say there's no queues in ports, well there are several reasons for that, not least that for the moment vehicles are being waved through without checks, stockpiling has been happening in the UK in advance of 31 Dec and we're not yet into the period where post Christmas freight starts to build up. 

Post edited on 06/01/2021 at 17:02 by Bradders23

Of course there are cracks, that's how the light gets in. 

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CDLF

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#25 06/01/2021 at 18:26

Lost share trading

To put a bit of balance to this thread. The City has lost it's European share business which in turn means less pounds in the Govt's coffers.

Somebody mentioned the lorry drivers stuck here being a French own goal. Sorry but I politely beg to differ. It was Johnson who wheeled Hancock out to do the media rounds to say the virus was out of control, of course France (and others) would react to protect their borders (oh the irony!)

But back to the lorry drivers, we absolutely need them to come over to deliver goods, they account for around 95% of incoming freight - after this experience many will not want to risk getting caught again and they'll simply turn down EU/UK work in preference for plentiful EU/EU work with no additional paperwork requirements - (which in itself is going to become a huge issue). There simply aren't anywhere near enough UK drivers who could take the slack if it does become a problem, and even if there were, there aren't enough permits and even if you get over those 2 things, the profit in having UK drivers is slim to non existent so those increases that hauliers would have to make to ensure a profit margin will make their way down the line to the consumer. The Road Haulage Association have been making this very argument for a long time.

Oh and if anybody wants to say there's no queues in ports, well there are several reasons for that, not least that for the moment vehicles are being waved through without checks, stockpiling has been happening in the UK in advance of 31 Dec and we're not yet into the period where post Christmas freight starts to build up.
Bradders23, 06/01/2021 at 16:58


"Balance"....yeah! right Bradders...and how many people will the loss European share business kill? 

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tylluan

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#26 06/01/2021 at 19:12

Simple question and will probably need a complicated answer but why can't we just unhitch the wagons from the trailers either side of the channel (or lift the containers off) and then no drivers are crossing over?
If we don't have enough hgv drivers them utilise the rail freight infrastructure more.
Either way it cuts down on carbon immissions. 

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Bradders23

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#27 06/01/2021 at 19:27



"Balance"....yeah! right Bradders...and how many people will the loss European share business kill?
CDLF, 06/01/2021 at 18:26


Can't have it both ways CDLF, if you believe the City drives the economy, then this 6bn on top of the £1.2 trillion already gone, will kill alot of people.
Or was austerity just a political choice? Surely not? 

Of course there are cracks, that's how the light gets in. 

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Bradders23

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#28 06/01/2021 at 19:34

Simple question and will probably need a complicated answer but why can't we just unhitch the wagons from the trailers either side of the channel (or lift the containers off) and then no drivers are crossing over?
If we don't have enough hgv drivers them utilise the rail freight infrastructure more.
Either way it cuts down on carbon immissions.
tylluan, 06/01/2021 at 19:12


This was literally my job for several years Ty. Simply put, Dover matters the most, but is not really set up for unaccompanied freight, it does a bit, but you only have to look at the port infrastructure to see it's just not viable. We take in unaccompanied from several other ports throughout the UK, but none can replicate the frequency, or the value that DO/CA or Eurotunnel offer. The whole model is based on driver accompanied. Even if the ports could do it (which they can't, in volume) the costs of shunting on and off are prohibitive plus unaccompanied (for some reason I could never really fathom) is cheaper for the haulier, so the ferry operators would need to increase prices to compensate for the extra costs in volume - either way you see price rises.

As I said, there's a good amount of unaccompanied going into other ports in the Uk, but they are all longer crossings, which obviously limits the frequency and volume. Ferry operators are under massive financial pressure right now, so investment in new routes is not going to happen.

Except....the new Irish Republic to France route announced by DFDS had it's first sailing on a super freighter the other day, fully booked. Make of that what you will.  

Post edited on 06/01/2021 at 19:36 by Bradders23

Of course there are cracks, that's how the light gets in. 

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tylluan

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#29 06/01/2021 at 19:45

The French have always hated us.
The rest of the French duchy's hated William the bastard and hated him even more when his legacy meant our throne laid claim to a sizeable chunk of the country.
Every time there was a chance of another country having a go at us they always sided with them. Spaniards, Dutch, Americans, Germans, Scots, Irish.
Their ruling class blamed us for not invading and stopping the revolution. The revolutionaries blamed us when it fell apart.
They blame us for WW1, with us and the Germans playing royalty big bollocks. They blame us for the Germans ripping through in 1940. Vichy France fought against us in North Africa cos they thought the Afrika Korps would dip in.
Then you have that jumped up corporal De Gaulle having to grit his teeth and go cap in hand to us. It still rankled him that much he blocked us joining the common market three times.
They blame for us for Suez.
They sold arms to Argentina when they knew we'd set sail.
They hate the fact that we can buy their property and use it just as a holiday home.
They hate us for Bryan Robson scoring the fastest ever World Cup goal, against them.
They hate us for Ipswich Town knocking Platini's St Etienne side out of the UEFA cup when it was supposed to be their year.
In fact Platini hated us that much he blocked two world cup host bids, before being banned for ethics violations.
They hate us for mugging the 2012 Olympics off Paris (I can still remember their faces on the TV when London was announced.

There's a ton of other stuff they hate us for but that's enough to be going on with 

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Bradders23

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#30 06/01/2021 at 19:48

The French have always hated us.
The rest of the French duchy's hated William the bastard and hated him even more when his legacy meant our throne laid claim to a sizeable chunk of the country.
Every time there was a chance of another country having a go at us they always sided with them. Spaniards, Dutch, Americans, Germans, Scots, Irish.
Their ruling class blamed us for not invading and stopping the revolution. The revolutionaries blamed us when it fell apart.
They blame us for WW1, with us and the Germans playing royalty big bollocks. They blame us for the Germans ripping through in 1940. Vichy France fought against us in North Africa cos they thought the Afrika Korps would dip in.
Then you have that jumped up corporal De Gaulle having to grit his teeth and go cap in hand to us. It still rankled him that much he blocked us joining the common market three times.
They blame for us for Suez.
They sold arms to Argentina when they knew we'd set sail.
They hate the fact that we can buy their property and use it just as a holiday home.
They hate us for Bryan Robson scoring the fastest ever World Cup goal, against them.
They hate us for Ipswich Town knocking Platini's St Etienne side out of the UEFA cup when it was supposed to be their year.
In fact Platini hated us that much he blocked two world cup host bids, before being banned for ethics violations.
They hate us for mugging the 2012 Olympics off Paris (I can still remember their faces on the TV when London was announced.

There's a ton of other stuff they hate us for but that's enough to be going on with
tylluan, 06/01/2021 at 19:45


That may be true, but we still need driver accompanied freight. Bigsmile

Of course there are cracks, that's how the light gets in. 

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