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Baresi

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#121 24/01/2021 at 13:20

Below is a six year old report from the Department for Business Innovation & Skills. It basically sets out the frustrations experienced by British business caused by EU red tape. Nothing has ever been done about it, if anything EU rules regulations and assorted Red Tape has increased exponentially every year since then. The EU has fought tooth and nail to try and lock us into keeping all this regulatory, anti business rubbish but now we can make rules that suits the expansion of British business and set our taxation points to make us an attractive option for business to start and settle here.

We are barely three weeks into Brexit and already the usual suspects are bellyaching and trying to put this country down. Do they honestly not think that this Red Tape problem will get sorted in the near future? It's in everybody's interests to do it.

You do realise the problem goes both ways, there are industries in the EU (e.g. Dutch Tulips) that have already been decimated by Coronavirus, that will be praying for a new start for the spring crops this year, especially as Britain, their largest market by far, are so far in the lead with vaccination, our flower shops may be their only source for their flowers. Imagine how they will feel if their flowers are rotting on a quayside whilst paperwork holds transport up.

Negotiation and positive attitudes will prevail when the reality of EU legislation starts to impact on jobs in Europe.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publication s/cut-eu-red-tape-report-from-the-busines s-taskforce/cut-eu-red-tape-report-from-t he-business-taskforce
CDLF, 19/01/2021 at 14:11


Britain is actually the Dutch flower market's 2nd largest export market (12%) behind Germany (30%) and just ahead of France.

The reality of Brexit is that it's an unmitigated disaster. And by the way, don't give me that "you're unpatriotic if you don't support Brexit" crap. If a hideous mistake has been made that's destroying the UK economy, it's the right and patriotic thing to keep pointing it out until it's corrected. You might want to stick your head in the sand with your blindfold on, but it doesn't mean everyone else has to... especially those businesses and workers that are feeling the disaster of it the most.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree /2021/jan/24/bill-for-boris-johnson-brexi t-is-coming-punishingly-steep?

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/re locate-to-eu-to-dodge-brexit-bureaucracy- officials-tell-firms/24/01/

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politic s/leave-voting-fish-merchant-says-brexit- is-absolute-nightmare-as-industry-is-dest royed/22/01/

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/br exit-blows-250000-chunk-in-cheshire-chees emakers-business/23/01/

I ask you will Galway bate Mayo? Not if they have Willie Joe...they haven't a hope of beating Mayo! 

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CDLF

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#122 24/01/2021 at 23:22



Britain is actually the Dutch flower market's 2nd largest export market (12%) behind Germany (30%) and just ahead of France.

The reality of Brexit is that it's an unmitigated disaster. And by the way, don't give me that "you're unpatriotic if you don't support Brexit" crap. If a hideous mistake has been made that's destroying the UK economy, it's the right and patriotic thing to keep pointing it out until it's corrected. You might want to stick your head in the sand with your blindfold on, but it doesn't mean everyone else has to... especially those businesses and workers that are feeling the disaster of it the most.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree /2021/jan/24/bill-for-boris-johnson-brexi t-is-coming-punishingly-steep?

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/re locate-to-eu-to-dodge-brexit-bureaucracy- officials-tell-firms/24/01/

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politic s/leave-voting-fish-merchant-says-brexit- is-absolute-nightmare-as-industry-is-dest royed/22/01/

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/br exit-blows-250000-chunk-in-cheshire-chees emakers-business/23/01/

Baresi, 24/01/2021 at 13:20


And where exactly have I intimated that "you're unpatriotic if you don't support Brexit" Really Franco, I thought you were made of better than that. I voted leave and I stand by it. The problems that we are encountering now WILL be sorted out in the future. You are an intelligent bloke so you know this is the case. No one ever said it would be easy when we are dealing with the duplicitous wankers at the EU. Give it some time...we're not going to reverse the vote now whatever your fantasies. 

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Bradders23

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#123 25/01/2021 at 11:50



And where exactly have I intimated that "you're unpatriotic if you don't support Brexit" Really Franco, I thought you were made of better than that. I voted leave and I stand by it. The problems that we are encountering now WILL be sorted out in the future. You are an intelligent bloke so you know this is the case. No one ever said it would be easy when we are dealing with the duplicitous wankers at the EU. Give it some time...we're not going to reverse the vote now whatever your fantasies.
CDLF, 24/01/2021 at 23:22


Out of interest CDLF, tell me which problems will be sorted out and are just not the consequences of the deal? What will resolve them? 

Of course there are cracks, that's how the light gets in. 

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Baresi

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#124 25/01/2021 at 17:21

According to this Brexit Party MEP, by the time it's sorted out - if it ever is- it'll be too late for her business and the rest of the UK fishing industry...

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politic s/ex-brexit-party-mep-says-johnsons-deal- has-left-her-fishing-business-on-its-knee s/25/01/

I ask you will Galway bate Mayo? Not if they have Willie Joe...they haven't a hope of beating Mayo! 

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Baresi

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#125 26/01/2021 at 09:56

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/busines s-economics/moodys-pass-judgement-on-john sons-trade-deal-skewed-in-the-eus-favour/ 26/01/

Credit ratings agency Moody's assessment of Johnson's Brexit/Breaks It) deal...it's not positive. 

I ask you will Galway bate Mayo? Not if they have Willie Joe...they haven't a hope of beating Mayo! 

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bartos1976

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#126 26/01/2021 at 10:45

Expecting CDLF along shortly to slag off the EU for putting restrictions in place on Vaccines manufactured on the bloc 

Post edited on 26/01/2021 at 11:26 by bartos1976

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CDLF

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#127 26/01/2021 at 15:25

Expecting CDLF along shortly to slag off the EU for putting restrictions in place on Vaccines manufactured on the bloc
bartos1976, 26/01/2021 at 10:45



Actually what I'm hearing is that both AstraZeneca and Pfizer are falling behind with their production targets for vaccines so the EU are wanting to take some of Britains share of AstraZeneca orders to make up the difference. This of course is the Oxford manufactured vaccine the one the EU haven't approved yet through the European Medicines Agency.

This is backed up with a threat (Surprise Sur..fucking..prise) to withhold supplies of the Belgian manufactured Pfizer vaccine from Britain unless we do as they say. A trade war with human lives.

If ever there was a better illustration of our correct decision to get out of that corrupt self serving monolithic prison then this is it. 

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Bradders23

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#128 26/01/2021 at 20:11

Sorry to repeat myself CDLF, but you appear to have missed my question, so I'm happy to give you another opportunity.

So, regarding the Brexit "teething problems" - tell me which problems will be sorted out and are just not the consequences of the deal? What will resolve them?  

Of course there are cracks, that's how the light gets in. 

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CDLF

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#129 29/01/2021 at 12:43

Sorry to repeat myself CDLF, but you appear to have missed my question, so I'm happy to give you another opportunity.

So, regarding the Brexit "teething problems" - tell me which problems will be sorted out and are just not the consequences of the deal? What will resolve them?
Bradders23, 26/01/2021 at 20:11


I wasn't ignoring you Bradders...I have only just revisited this thread to keep up to date.

So regarding your question. Several months ago during the Brexit negotiations when people were predicting a no deal and highlighting all the possible disasters that were going to engulf Britain when it happened...(Project Fear 2)...I posted on here and said that even if we had no deal we would get by and then went on to say that I bet if there is a no deal we will have a free trade agreement with the EU within a year of Brexit. Well, it looks as though I was a year out because the EU decided that it was in their best interest for us not to be charging their car manufacturers, wine sellers, engineering companies etc a 10% import duty on all their exports to us. The EU have a big trade surplus with the UK and most of that consists of high value goods as compared to the relatively low value goods that we export to the EU. I don't think anyone needs better than 'O' level maths to work out the consequences of that. Now onto todays situation. Quite simply the EU with possibly arch Brit basher Macron as it's main driving force, are playing silly buggers with all this extra paperwork and customs nonsense to teach us a lesson and I now predict that it will all become hugely simplified within the next six months or less so trading will carry on almost as it were before Brexit.

The alternative for the EU is that we will start the same shenanigans with them. Just imagine for a moment that we bring in rules that all vehicles imported from the EU shall be inspected to ensure they meet the correct manufacturers specifications. We could specify a designated inspection area not convenient for the channel ports and allocate the minimum number of inspectors to do the inspections. Any divergence from correct specs and the vehicle would have to be returned to the factory for modification. How do you think Mr Mercedes and Mr BMW would react to that? I really doubt it would ever come to anything like that but it takes two to tango.

The financial services sector is actually in our favour with a sizeable surplus, but nothing like enough to compensate for the huge goods deficit.
Remember, they have the huge trade surplus and the customer is always right...or he will take his business elsewhere.

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Skamp

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#130 29/01/2021 at 13:08

I've stopped engaging CDLF, they're not interest other than to scour news articles for the odd blip or two.

Have you ever implemented a new system at work? Always takes a bit of time with plenty of teething problems irrespective of any planning done but you'll always be surrounded by them that fold their arms, tut all the time, tell you nothing was wrong with the old system and comfort themselves by saying 'it'll never work'.

Funny how those at the EU aren't creating delays with Switzerland but hey ho.

Anyway, that's me out again until it's settled in a bit longer than 29 days

keep the faith


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Andyben

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#131 29/01/2021 at 13:51

I've stopped engaging CDLF, they're not interest other than to scour news articles for the odd blip or two.

Have you ever implemented a new system at work? Always takes a bit of time with plenty of teething problems irrespective of any planning done but you'll always be surrounded by them that fold their arms, tut all the time, tell you nothing was wrong with the old system and comfort themselves by saying 'it'll never work'.

Funny how those at the EU aren't creating delays with Switzerland but hey ho.

Anyway, that's me out again until it's settled in a bit longer than 29 days

keep the faith


Skamp, 29/01/2021 at 13:08


This.

Leave them to their echo chamber and loaded articles. 

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Bradders23

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#132 29/01/2021 at 14:30



I wasn't ignoring you Bradders...I have only just revisited this thread to keep up to date.

So regarding your question. Several months ago during the Brexit negotiations when people were predicting a no deal and highlighting all the possible disasters that were going to engulf Britain when it happened...(Project Fear 2)...I posted on here and said that even if we had no deal we would get by and then went on to say that I bet if there is a no deal we will have a free trade agreement with the EU within a year of Brexit. Well, it looks as though I was a year out because the EU decided that it was in their best interest for us not to be charging their car manufacturers, wine sellers, engineering companies etc a 10% import duty on all their exports to us. The EU have a big trade surplus with the UK and most of that consists of high value goods as compared to the relatively low value goods that we export to the EU. I don't think anyone needs better than 'O' level maths to work out the consequences of that. Now onto todays situation. Quite simply the EU with possibly arch Brit basher Macron as it's main driving force, are playing silly buggers with all this extra paperwork and customs nonsense to teach us a lesson and I now predict that it will all become hugely simplified within the next six months or less so trading will carry on almost as it were before Brexit.

The alternative for the EU is that we will start the same shenanigans with them. Just imagine for a moment that we bring in rules that all vehicles imported from the EU shall be inspected to ensure they meet the correct manufacturers specifications. We could specify a designated inspection area not convenient for the channel ports and allocate the minimum number of inspectors to do the inspections. Any divergence from correct specs and the vehicle would have to be returned to the factory for modification. How do you think Mr Mercedes and Mr BMW would react to that? I really doubt it would ever come to anything like that but it takes two to tango.

The financial services sector is actually in our favour with a sizeable surplus, but nothing like enough to compensate for the huge goods deficit.
Remember, they have the huge trade surplus and the customer is always right...or he will take his business elsewhere.

CDLF, 29/01/2021 at 12:43


I'll answer Skamp and you in one go, but it'll be brief because (and I'm sorry to be rude CDLF) you simply don't get it. The rules cannot simply be changed, you need to Google "what does being a third country to the EU mean to the UK?" and then do some reading, several articles. Frictionless trade has gone, we chose that route and civil servants were ordered not to do risk assessments on the impacts.

As for financial services, read what France are saying, how much they've already gained, read about the deal the US did with the EU which undermines London's status as the No1 Financial centre and read about the £1.2 trillion of assets that were transferred from the UK prior to the deal being signed.

We will get Charter Cities, dressed up as Freeports, but they will be Charter Cities - read what Sunak's dad is doing in India right now and if you want to know what they're about, read William Rees Mogg's book from 1997 (Yes, Jacob's dad) - it is the blueprint for Brexit and post Brexit.

As for not engaging, that's what people who know they're wrong do when the realise that fact.

One thing, I'm glad that the usual suspects own their Brexit decision - you need to. I don't want to change your mind, I want you to keep owning your decision. Only the consequences will show you the wisdom or not, of your decision. But even then, you might be in denial. 

Of course there are cracks, that's how the light gets in. 

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#133 29/01/2021 at 15:01



This.

Leave them to their echo chamber and loaded articles.
Andyben, 29/01/2021 at 13:51


Irony just ate itself 

Tell mi mam, mi mam, I don't want no tea, no tea, I'm watching the Wednesday, tell mi mam, mi mam 

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bartos1976

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#134 29/01/2021 at 15:14



I'll answer Skamp and you in one go, but it'll be brief because (and I'm sorry to be rude CDLF) you simply don't get it. The rules cannot simply be changed, you need to Google "what does being a third country to the EU mean to the UK?" and then do some reading, several articles. Frictionless trade has gone, we chose that route and civil servants were ordered not to do risk assessments on the impacts.

As for financial services, read what France are saying, how much they've already gained, read about the deal the US did with the EU which undermines London's status as the No1 Financial centre and read about the £1.2 trillion of assets that were transferred from the UK prior to the deal being signed.

We will get Charter Cities, dressed up as Freeports, but they will be Charter Cities - read what Sunak's dad is doing in India right now and if you want to know what they're about, read William Rees Mogg's book from 1997 (Yes, Jacob's dad) - it is the blueprint for Brexit and post Brexit.

As for not engaging, that's what people who know they're wrong do when the realise that fact.

One thing, I'm glad that the usual suspects own their Brexit decision - you need to. I don't want to change your mind, I want you to keep owning your decision. Only the consequences will show you the wisdom or not, of your decision. But even then, you might be in denial.
Bradders23, 29/01/2021 at 14:30


The sound of the mic dropping on the floor is probably the best sound known to man 

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Baresi

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#135 30/01/2021 at 23:40

I've stopped engaging CDLF, they're not interest other than to scour news articles for the odd blip or two.

Have you ever implemented a new system at work? Always takes a bit of time with plenty of teething problems irrespective of any planning done but you'll always be surrounded by them that fold their arms, tut all the time, tell you nothing was wrong with the old system and comfort themselves by saying 'it'll never work'.

Funny how those at the EU aren't creating delays with Switzerland but hey ho.

Anyway, that's me out again until it's settled in a bit longer than 29 days

keep the faith


Skamp, 29/01/2021 at 13:08


Meanwhile, in the real world...there seems to be plenty of British businesses not prepared to let the supposed benefits of this shitty Brexit deal take 'a bit of time' (how long is that, by the way?) to materialise or put up with the 'odd blip or two' are preparing to vote with their feet, put thousands of British workers out of work and move their jobs to Europe instead. But yeah, keep the faith...Rolleyes

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021 /jan/30/uk-firms-plan-to-shift-across-cha nnel-after-brexit-chaos?

I ask you will Galway bate Mayo? Not if they have Willie Joe...they haven't a hope of beating Mayo! 

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