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Bradders23

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#16 19/01/2021 at 19:30



Bradders, it may be an unpalatable truth to you, but it isn't the government that is spreading the virus. It's irresponsible people who don't give a fuck about who they infect or if they die. People who don't think the lockdown rules apply to them...who continue to socialise safe in the knowledge that they are young and fit and if they get it they will recover quickly and completely.
CDLF, 19/01/2021 at 19:05


CDLF, it may be un unpalatable truth to you, but it isn't the people who dithered around the rules for Christmas and threw away the tiers on Christmas Day. It wasn't the people who threatened to sue schools for wanting to close to slow the spread of the virus down, told everyone that schools were safe when all the science was that they were a major cause of the spread of the virus. It wasn't the people who insisted that schools went back for one day, ensuring millions of kids mingled together before going back to their families to spread the virus. And it wasn't the people, who having done all this then decided to close them, when they shouldn't have opened in the first place. It's irresponsible politicians who don't give a fuck about who dies. It also wasn't the people who knew there was a new strain of the virus coming from Brazil but didn't immediately stop flights from there or introduce tests/isolation straight away. In fact, it wasn't the people who allowed millions of people, from all over the world, to fly into and out of this country for 10 months with no checks at all. But it is the Government, who are spinning everything to make us blame "other" people for the spread, not them.

I'm being charitable here, there is a hell of alot more than this, we could talk about lockdown delays, when they were being begged to do it to save lives by science, business and the NHS. - but like I say, argue they aren't culpable if you will, but it just isn't credible. 

Of course there are cracks, that's how the light gets in. 

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#17 19/01/2021 at 20:01

The problem is the government have been reactive rather than proactive which is bad in itself. Even then if you’re going to be reactive you have to react quickly and they have been slow in everything that they’ve done.

The blaming the public is text book right wing media script. Fuck off  

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#18 19/01/2021 at 23:18

I blame them both. The too late in everything they've done government and the hordes of scumbag bastards who don't give a shit about their fellow man. Plenty of them, even before we get to the brain donors hammering on and on on social media about how Covid doesn't exist and how everyone but them are sheep and need to rise up against a worldwide conspiracy. Pass me a gun and lots of ammunition.

GrrGrrGrr

We must not give opposition teams hope. We have to kill them. 

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#19 19/01/2021 at 23:30

Successive governments of both parties have used the NHS as a political football. Medical priorities have been defunded and costly management structures introduced, including the two piss poor attempts at IT systems (£10M) introduced by one of Gordon Brown's family.
We should never have had to be told to protect the NHS when it was created to protect us.  

Fuck 'em. This city will always be ours, but the club SADLY won't. 

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Baresi

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#20 20/01/2021 at 08:49

Which member of Gordon Brown's family was that, bri? Am aware of failed NHS IT system plans going back over the last decade or more - costing more like £60 million rather than £10 million though - but that's genuinely the first I've heard.
The reality though is that the Conservative Party have been in power for over a decade now - appropriately funding the NHS to ensure it's properly equipped has been and still is 100% its responsibility all that time, and nobody else's. If it's failing now, it's on their prolonged watch and down to the choices and decisions they've made.  

I ask you will Galway bate Mayo? Not if they have Willie Joe...they haven't a hope of beating Mayo! 

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#21 20/01/2021 at 08:58



Bradders, it may be an unpalatable truth to you, but it isn't the government that is spreading the virus. It's irresponsible people who don't give a fuck about who they infect or if they die. People who don't think the lockdown rules apply to them...who continue to socialise safe in the knowledge that they are young and fit and if they get it they will recover quickly and completely.
CDLF, 19/01/2021 at 19:05


Who's to blame in America? Exactly the same as over here. An administration run by incompetents. Just watched Priti Patel spout a load of bollocks blaming everything and everybody for the pandemic.  

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AndyBen

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#22 20/01/2021 at 09:58

Which member of Gordon Brown's family was that, bri? Am aware of failed NHS IT system plans going back over the last decade or more - costing more like £60 million rather than £10 million though - but that's genuinely the first I've heard.
The reality though is that the Conservative Party have been in power for over a decade now - appropriately funding the NHS to ensure it's properly equipped has been and still is 100% its responsibility all that time, and nobody else's. If it's failing now, it's on their prolonged watch and down to the choices and decisions they've made.
Baresi, 20/01/2021 at 08:49


The cost of the failed NHS IT system was £12.7bn at the last reckoning, and god knows whatthe final costs of Blair/Brown's beloved PFI wil be to th NHS and others.

And regarding Tories and Austerity, which was needed after Brown decided to bail out his mates running the scottish banks (BoS; RBS) by forcing LLoydsTSB to buy BoS (on the pain of no financial assistance if they didnt) and giving RBS a blank cheque when it was effectively nationalised, which were over exposed to the toxic credit and not the people, don't forget Alistair Darling Darling's, pledge at the 2010 General Election to make more cuts then even the Tories were proposing.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010 /mar/25/alistair-darling-cut-deeper-marga ret-thatcher

Wonder what state the NHS and the UK as a whole would be in today if Brown had won that election...

Perhaps, with a budget of £120bn (not including the blank cheque for Covid) and being the world's 5th largest employer, that maybe the NHS isn't the best model in the 21st century.

Remind me, hiw many days / hours weeks/months have we got to 'Save the NHS' today?

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AndyBen

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#23 20/01/2021 at 09:59

Andrew Brown (Gordon's Brother) was a journalist who went to work for EdF at the time the UK energy infrastrucure was being hoovered up by foreign corporations 

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CDLF

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#24 20/01/2021 at 10:22



Who's to blame in America? Exactly the same as over here. An administration run by incompetents. Just watched Priti Patel spout a load of bollocks blaming everything and everybody for the pandemic.
TommyCraig6, 20/01/2021 at 08:58



If we are going to blame anyone for Coronavirus then let's get to the nitty gritty. The Chinese manufactured it...not for any sane reason...and were responsible for it's release onto an unsuspecting world. Anyone who believes it was created in a "Wet Market" by live bats or whatever must still believe in the tooth fairy.

Every government in the world were caught short by it and every opposition in the world knew how to deal with it betterRolleyes
There were countries who were initially successful in containing it and then it got the better of them, and countries who were left floundering initially but who have now got on top of it. It's a worldwide humanitarian disaster and will probably be with us for years to come.

Of course governments have made poor decisions, ours included, but it still does not alter the fact that to catch covid 19 you have to come into contact with someone who's got it. Now with me being elderly and vulnerable medically, I've taken charge of my own life and avoided contact with anyone outside my tiny bubble...it's called self preservation. I've avoided going where the clinically brain dead wankers congregate for their parties, weddings, raves, football matches, foreign holidays, street parties, shopping trips, boozing etc. because it's these people who are the actual spreaders of the disease. A single carrier can infect dozens of others and they in turn dozens more. It's mainly young people who don't seem to be badly affected if they do get it...I wonder if it flits across their shallow minds that they just might be killing their parents or grandparents...perhaps not. In life everyone has to make their own decisions.

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AndyBen

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#25 20/01/2021 at 10:40

How dare you take control of your life, Dobbo, that's what the government are for 

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Bradders23

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#26 20/01/2021 at 12:43

More people died here yesterday, than in Australia throughout the pandemic to date. 1600 lives lost, 4 jumbo jets falling out of the sky....

And I've just found out my stepdaughter (aged 34) has got it and is feeling pretty ill. Her selfish act that resulted in her catching it...she's an nurse in the NHS.  

Of course there are cracks, that's how the light gets in. 

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bartos1976

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#27 20/01/2021 at 12:56



The Chinese manufactured it

CDLF, 20/01/2021 at 10:22


Jesus, you're mental. It's fair enough to say you think it'd be within their capability but you need to back that up with credible evdidence.

You better get used to pandemics, there's a fair chance the Chinese could manufacture more in the coming years

https://www.rainforest-alliance.org/artic les/deforestation-and-pandemics  

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Bradders23

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#28 20/01/2021 at 13:21



Jesus, you're mental. It's fair enough to say you think it'd be within their capability but you need to back that up with credible evdidence.

You better get used to pandemics, there's a fair chance the Chinese could manufacture more in the coming years

https://www.rainforest-alliance.org/artic les/deforestation-and-pandemics
bartos1976, 20/01/2021 at 12:56


Pure Trumpism, Bartos. 

Of course there are cracks, that's how the light gets in. 

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bartos1976

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#29 20/01/2021 at 13:34

Indeed, seriously CDLF watch this

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000mn4n

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Bradders23

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#30 20/01/2021 at 20:47

So the sad pathetic racist orange one is gone, not a moment too soon. Hopefully the creditors and legal cases catch up with him very quickly.

As for Biden, if you're a decent person, there isn't one word of his inaugural speech that you can disagree with. It's good to have an adult in charge. 

Of course there are cracks, that's how the light gets in. 

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