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#1 14/03/2021 at 10:10

Both Sheffield clubs are now run by international businessmen, with no upbringing of the tradition and history of our clubs and the rivalary of the fans.
Does anyone see a scenario where a business decision could be made to merge the clubs, build a new super stadium with a view to 50 thousand crowds ,build a sustainable premier league side with the increase in off field revenues etc. that would bring
I know that the vast majority of fans across the city would abhor the idea and wouldn't support it. But we have 2 chairman who have complete autonomy over their clubs, have shown they are incompetent at running their clubs, and have no thought for the "customers" they represent.
I would be surprised if a fesiabilty study hasn't been mooted. 

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#2 14/03/2021 at 10:11

It won't happen......
I think 

Post edited on 14/03/2021 at 10:12 by HoylandOwl

13.11.2010 at 20.51 emre...tbh, Hoylands goal gave me a semi 

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#3 14/03/2021 at 10:27

It's the future of football for many clubs. No way can the league continue to support 92 clubs.

Not saying its right for Sheffield though.  

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#4 14/03/2021 at 10:30

I’d rather contract the AIDS virus than merge with c**ts.
The deep rooted hatred between both clubs goes too deep IMO.
Your ethier one or the other. 

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#5 14/03/2021 at 10:36

I’d turn my back on football if it happened. It MIGHT make financial and business sense long term. But that’s not what football is about. And it certainly doesn’t guarantee success, cos we’d still likely have a clown running it all anyway. 

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#6 14/03/2021 at 10:45

That happens and there is no future, may as well scrap both clubs and support one of the non league clubs  

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#7 14/03/2021 at 10:47

Both Sheffield clubs are now run by international businessmen, with no upbringing of the tradition and history of our clubs and the rivalary of the fans.
Does anyone see a scenario where a business decision could be made to merge the clubs, build a new super stadium with a view to 50 thousand crowds ,build a sustainable premier league side with the increase in off field revenues etc. that would bring
I know that the vast majority of fans across the city would abhor the idea and wouldn't support it. But we have 2 chairman who have complete autonomy over their clubs, have shown they are incompetent at running their clubs, and have no thought for the "customers" they represent.
I would be surprised if a fesiabilty study hasn't been mooted.
sheffieldblue, 14/03/2021 at 10:10

Are you saying this will happen because of foreign owners? Be careful, you'll be accused of xenophobia.
If it does it will make Saturday evenings interesting after a home game. Fans fighting in lumps, all pubs closed. Lockdown every home game. 

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#8 14/03/2021 at 10:49

It's certainly true that foreign owners don't give a shit about tradition and history. I bet the chairman at the sty hasn't got a clue about Wilder's past. 

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#9 14/03/2021 at 11:10

More likely to happen is us pigs and Sheffield fc all playing in lg2 

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#10 14/03/2021 at 11:43

More likely Chansiri buys Poundland out than a joint merger.

Never happen though. Although it might make an initial financial saving it would soon hit a brick wall as both sets of hardcore support would disappear and the new club would be reliant on 'tourist' fans, the one offs who have come to see the opposition, and students and the like.

Both original clubs would reform and be picking up 2-3k support a week, probably more in our case.
There'd be a cracking race to see who climbed the pyramid faster and that would engulf the city rather than going to watch Sheffield City play.
It would be interesting to see who funded any reformed club. Would the likes of Bean and Elliott put their hands in their pockets and would the idiots on Toxic be pleading for Leeeeeeee to fund ours
What might also be interesting is if both reformed clubs ground shared to cut down costs and build better facilities.
And the police bill for a Northern Counties game  

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#11 14/03/2021 at 11:59

That would be like getting parole from a life sentence with the emotional family ties/links having to start all over again from the very start. No doubt it could be done but it would be a bit MK Dons'ish. I'd expect a flood of support would flow to Sheffield FC. 

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#12 14/03/2021 at 12:04

I think, if you were starting with a blank sheet of paper, in a city the size of Sheffield you’d certainly only have one club.

And to a large degree, it is a big shame they formed at all as you’d probably see a ‘one city club’ from Sheffield being probably comparable to say Newcastle, perhaps bigger.

But in the eyes of many, even most, a merged club would be a Frankenstein and just would not get off the ground, making the ultimate goal of high crowds and a supposedly ‘bigger’ combined club flawed from the outset and an unreachable goal.

I don’t think foreign ownership for both clubs is particularly relevant to the argument, given how many football clubs are foreign owned (loads) and the merger idea has been mooted over the decades several times before, at times when both clubs would have been owned/run by Sheffielders. Struggling to see why foreign owners would somehow find it easier to enable.  

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#13 14/03/2021 at 13:05

I think this 50,000 fans number is mythical, who'd go and watch them?

I think it far more likely people would go and watching Sheffield FC 

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#14 14/03/2021 at 13:14

I think this 50,000 fans number is mythical, who'd go and watch them?

I think it far more likely people would go and watching Sheffield FC
GeoffSwfc, 14/03/2021 at 13:05


That's what I meant by the chairmen not understanding the city's football history. They probably think both sets of fans would get behind a Sheffield city . Of course, we all know different, but we arnt making the decisions  

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#15 14/03/2021 at 13:18

I think this 50,000 fans number is mythical, who'd go and watch them?

I think it far more likely people would go and watching Sheffield FC
GeoffSwfc, 14/03/2021 at 13:05



Absolutely, no proper supporter of either side would take an interest let alone go and watch 

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#16 14/03/2021 at 13:33

Sheffield FC moving back in to the city is really interesting, and with the apathy both sets of fans have with he way modern football has gone, you wonder how many people will start taking more than a passing interest in them.  

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#17 14/03/2021 at 13:39



That's what I meant by the chairmen not understanding the city's football history. They probably think both sets of fans would get behind a Sheffield city . Of course, we all know different, but we arnt making the decisions
sheffieldblue, 14/03/2021 at 13:14


Absolute hyperbole shite 

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#18 14/03/2021 at 14:17

Sheffield FC moving back in to the city is really interesting, and with the apathy both sets of fans have with he way modern football has gone, you wonder how many people will start taking more than a passing interest in them.
GeoffSwfc, 14/03/2021 at 13:33


No one under 30 

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#19 14/03/2021 at 14:21

RB Wednesday.

60k stadium in A1/M1/M18 triangle near Robin Hood Airport.

Blue & Silver striped shirts (like the cans).

PL&UCL within 7years.

Like how many more times do I have to say it...  

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#20 14/03/2021 at 14:22

Near Robin Hood airport? So, RB Donny then? 

13.11.2010 at 20.51 emre...tbh, Hoylands goal gave me a semi 

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#21 14/03/2021 at 14:31

Handy for me to fly to the final in Paris  

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#22 14/03/2021 at 14:55

RB Wednesday.

60k stadium in A1/M1/M18 triangle near Robin Hood Airport.

Blue & Silver striped shirts (like the cans).

PL&UCL within 7years.

Like how many more times do I have to say it...
Andyben, 14/03/2021 at 14:21


You need to.mention it to Red Bull as they don't seem that interested.

Always thought they could get involved here in MK as Red Bull Racing have a huge place here and just been building an innovation centre next to the existing factory 

Happy clapping for 4 years more than Emre 

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#23 14/03/2021 at 14:56

No comment...  

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#24 14/03/2021 at 14:57

Near Robin Hood airport? So, RB Donny then?
HoylandOwl, 14/03/2021 at 14:22


What's the S stand for in DSA?

Anyway, we're best out of Sheffield, and certainly Hillsborough.

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#25 14/03/2021 at 15:56



What's the S stand for in DSA?

Anyway, we're best out of Sheffield, and certainly Hillsborough.

Andyben, 14/03/2021 at 14:57


I'm aware of what it stands for but it's not in Sheffield.  

13.11.2010 at 20.51 emre...tbh, Hoylands goal gave me a semi 

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#26 14/03/2021 at 16:22

Think it's to do with most people not from the area dont know where Doncaster is so they added Sheffield to it 

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#27 14/03/2021 at 17:30

Near Robin Hood airport? So, RB Donny then?
HoylandOwl, 14/03/2021 at 14:22


RB Epworth you mean 😳🤣 

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#28 14/03/2021 at 18:08

Sheffield FC moving back in to the city is really interesting, and with the apathy both sets of fans have with he way modern football has gone, you wonder how many people will start taking more than a passing interest in them.
GeoffSwfc, 14/03/2021 at 13:33


Too close to the pigs for my liking...

But, if their new ground gets the go ahead at meadowhead, it's close enough for me to walk to so may end taking my lad to a game  

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#29 14/03/2021 at 18:11

Every now and then this one gets trotted out when people are bored and fed up. Serious question, can anybody come up with a recent example of a merger between local rivals of any real size anywhere in the football playing world? Because I can’t. 

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#30 14/03/2021 at 18:51

Rangers and Queens Park formed a London branch.  

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#31 14/03/2021 at 19:21

Every now and then this one gets trotted out when people are bored and fed up. Serious question, can anybody come up with a recent example of a merger between local rivals of any real size anywhere in the football playing world? Because I can’t.
OWL71, 14/03/2021 at 18:11


Caledonian and Thistle
Ossett Town & Ossett Albion became Ossett United.
Not relevant size wise to the conversation I know.
Just because it hasn't dosen't mean to say it won't. As per opening post, 2 buisnessmen, not football fans, are now running 2 buisnesses with complete control. If they see a way of increasing their investment, is anyone 100% certain they wont consider exploring the prospect? 

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#32 14/03/2021 at 19:30

The two Manchester clubs thought about it in 1964 as attendances plummeted for both clubs.

PSG was formed out of two clubs in 1970

But 1999 seems to have been a good year for almost mergers.
Bury and Oldham got to planning stage and registered the name Manchester North End with the league and planned a new ground near Boundary Park. Then they tried to bring Rochdale in and it got messy then aborted.
1999 also saw an aborted attempt to merge the two Dundee clubs under the clunky name of Dundee United City Fc (shortened to Dundee City) They were to play at Tannadice and they even got kits sorted. Sky blue home with alternating dark blue and orange away kits.
A survey of both sets of fans said they wouldn't be happy at first but would probably support the new club. 

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#33 14/03/2021 at 19:45

Most business mergers are usually one taking the other over, whatever might be said and I suspect the same would be true here, who would be the "senior partner" in any merger, making the decisions etc. Poundland might think it's a good idea to buy out the city rivals but I doubt DC would let it happen and I don't think DC will want to spend the kind of money Poundland would want, so no I can't see it anytime soon. 

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#34 14/03/2021 at 20:15

Big Ron had it right when he said they’d be 50,000 every week If we merged.... “in casualty” 

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#35 14/03/2021 at 22:13

Rotherham United were formed by merging Rotherham County and Rotherham Town.  

The squits,diarrhoea and Rick Parry 

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#36 15/03/2021 at 00:34

RB Wednesday ... Like how many more times do I have to say it...
Andyben, 14/03/2021 at 14:21


Once was plenty.







... I know, I know. Don't bother.  

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#37 15/03/2021 at 06:57

No comment...
Andyben, 14/03/2021 at 14:56


Don't get me wrong if someone like Red Bull wanted a starting point to invest in the UK then we would be a decent option.

It has been mooted in MK - lets be honest the one place less likely to care as a fan base about it happening or the subsequent insults. Their stadium is better in the sense of what a modern organisation would want as well.

But they could get us on the cheap, with a history and tradition attached and a fairly decent fan base  

Happy clapping for 4 years more than Emre 

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#38 15/03/2021 at 10:15


Caledonian and Thistle
sheffieldblue, 14/03/2021 at 19:21

The BBC repeated their three or four part documentary about Scottish football last year. I forget what it was called. However, there was footage of the supporters meeting when the proposed ICT merger was announced. Fans on both sides didn't appear overly happy!

Not entirely sure whether their crowds increased or otherwise but I recall, after they dumped Celtic out of the Scottish Cup for the second time, their captain was interviewed in the dressing room. The bloke from Sky said something along the lines of, "good win. A great night for the fans as well" and the skipper's reply was, "aye, I just wish a few more of them would turn up every week!"

I also remember the summer of 1990. My family had just returned from our holiday in Portugal and faither asked the taxi driver, "have Hearts signed anyone?", to which the driver said, "well, they're trying to buy Hibs" Shock

There followed mass demonstrations, 'Hands off Hibs' t-shirts, crowd trouble at the first Edinburgh derby of the new season, death threats for the then Hearts Chairman. The city was pure toxic. Hardly surprising, therefore, that the status quo was maintained in the end.

I wasn't in favour of a 'merger' then and most certainly wouldn't be in favour involving the Sheffield clubs now. Businessmen can have their ideas but I'm sure there would be ways to make them see sense if / when the time came... 

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#39 15/03/2021 at 13:28

There was talk of a merger between Bristol clubs some time back and also reading and oxford the form Thames Valley royals in the 80s. Neither got over the line  

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#40 16/03/2021 at 21:51

The rivalry in Brizzle is as bad as ours. I lived there for 12 years. It was NEVER going to happen, as it won't here. 

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#41 16/03/2021 at 22:25

Honestly believe it would take 2 to 3 generations to pass on before any other team or new club would start to gain decent support. 

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#42 17/03/2021 at 01:43



Don't get me wrong if someone like Red Bull wanted a starting point to invest in the UK then we would be a decent option.

It has been mooted in MK - lets be honest the one place less likely to care as a fan base about it happening or the subsequent insults. Their stadium is better in the sense of what a modern organisation would want as well.

But they could get us on the cheap, with a history and tradition attached and a fairly decent fan base
mkowl, 15/03/2021 at 06:57


I can't see history and tradition rating highly in their considerations, to be fair. Hell, they'd probably see those as obstacles to overcome.

I would think that MK would be perfect for them. If Leipzig is any indication, their model isn't so much based upon tapping into established support as it is creating the support that their purchased success will bring. Not that support is the issue, at all, mind. Their clubs' raisons d'etre are to sell energy drinks. If anything, I'd think that Sheffield, where (the smaller, somewhat dingier) half of the city would be predisposed to reject the club and its sponsor/product (not to mention the potential fuss from a portion of the club's established support), might be somewhat less appealing for it.

In the end, I suppose, they won't give a shit either way. They'll pump their money in, get their results, use that success to sell their swill all over the world ... and presumably fans of some stripe will show up. Dietrich probably won't care if they do or not; but if they do, he probably won't care who they are, and definitely won't care what they or anybody else thinks about it. The expressed concerns of all German football culture (to say nothing of folks at the little club they'd purchased) didn't so much as raise an eyebrow at RB HQ.

So, yeah, you'd think it would be things like fans or infrastructure that would determine their preference, should they go about it in England. But when you consider Leipzig, they bypassed both. Perhaps they're thinking 'the smaller the club, the cleaner the slate' ... the fewer the obstacles to building exactly what they want. I have no idea; but as we come out of the pandemic there are going to be so many clubs in the Football League available for a song that they won't be starved for choice. Who knows? Ugh.  

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#43 17/03/2021 at 06:35

Its an interesting debate

Would our fan base trade off to be called RB Wednesday and being (lets be polite) run better and with it a greater likelihood of on the field success

Or

Do you stick with tradition

The problem is the last near on 25 years the latter has not really had any sustained success and we now look as far a way as ever.

We are almost an hybrid anyway with the Chansiri brand taking prominence.

History and tradition are great but not if the present is a mess 

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Happy clapping for 4 years more than Emre 

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#44 17/03/2021 at 08:49

Can we at least give some of their energy drink to the team at half time? 

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#45 17/03/2021 at 09:20

One thing is certain. As both clubs have autocratic rulers if they decide to go down the merger route the fans won't be able to stop it. 

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#46 17/03/2021 at 09:32

One thing is certain. As both clubs have autocratic rulers if they decide to go down the merger route the fans won't be able to stop it.
TommyCraig6, 17/03/2021 at 09:20


😂  

Consilio et Animis 

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#47 17/03/2021 at 09:59

One thing is certain. As both clubs have autocratic rulers if they decide to go down the merger route the fans won't be able to stop it.
TommyCraig6, 17/03/2021 at 09:20

Speaking from previous experience in Edinburgh (as I mentioned earlier in this thread), I think the fans would be able to stop it... Wink

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#48 17/03/2021 at 11:24

One thing is certain. As both clubs have autocratic rulers if they decide to go down the merger route the fans won't be able to stop it.
TommyCraig6, 17/03/2021 at 09:20




Speaking from previous experience in Edinburgh (as I mentioned earlier in this thread), I think the fans would be able to stop it... Wink
EastCraigsOwl, 17/03/2021 at 09:59


I suppose it's down to where that club would sit.
In the first season of the Premiership, matchday income accounted for 43% of total revenue. In the 19/20 season it was down to 13%. In 2018 Forbes reported that 11 PL clubs made a profit before matchday income was taken into consideration.
But all this doesn't take into account the money that would have to be spent to get there.
If there was a PL2 and Sheffield City were invited then it would almost be a clean slate, not withstanding any debts inherited from the previous clubs.

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#49 17/03/2021 at 11:29

People posting like this is remotely going to happen.

Get the nurse to replace the crayons you've stuck up your bum, get the doc to up your dosage and the caretaker to replace the padding in your room.

Fucking mongs  

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#50 17/03/2021 at 12:15

Laugh

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