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#31 14/03/2021 at 19:21

Every now and then this one gets trotted out when people are bored and fed up. Serious question, can anybody come up with a recent example of a merger between local rivals of any real size anywhere in the football playing world? Because I can’t.
OWL71, 14/03/2021 at 18:11


Caledonian and Thistle
Ossett Town & Ossett Albion became Ossett United.
Not relevant size wise to the conversation I know.
Just because it hasn't dosen't mean to say it won't. As per opening post, 2 buisnessmen, not football fans, are now running 2 buisnesses with complete control. If they see a way of increasing their investment, is anyone 100% certain they wont consider exploring the prospect? 

Givens. Stein. Hopkins .Elliott .Unsworth.. Heroes, one and all. Add Simonsen to the growing list 

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#32 14/03/2021 at 19:30

The two Manchester clubs thought about it in 1964 as attendances plummeted for both clubs.

PSG was formed out of two clubs in 1970

But 1999 seems to have been a good year for almost mergers.
Bury and Oldham got to planning stage and registered the name Manchester North End with the league and planned a new ground near Boundary Park. Then they tried to bring Rochdale in and it got messy then aborted.
1999 also saw an aborted attempt to merge the two Dundee clubs under the clunky name of Dundee United City Fc (shortened to Dundee City) They were to play at Tannadice and they even got kits sorted. Sky blue home with alternating dark blue and orange away kits.
A survey of both sets of fans said they wouldn't be happy at first but would probably support the new club. 

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#33 14/03/2021 at 19:45

Most business mergers are usually one taking the other over, whatever might be said and I suspect the same would be true here, who would be the "senior partner" in any merger, making the decisions etc. Poundland might think it's a good idea to buy out the city rivals but I doubt DC would let it happen and I don't think DC will want to spend the kind of money Poundland would want, so no I can't see it anytime soon. 

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#34 14/03/2021 at 20:15

Big Ron had it right when he said they’d be 50,000 every week If we merged.... “in casualty” 

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#35 14/03/2021 at 22:13

Rotherham United were formed by merging Rotherham County and Rotherham Town.  

The squits,diarrhoea and Rick Parry 

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#36 15/03/2021 at 00:34

RB Wednesday ... Like how many more times do I have to say it...
Andyben, 14/03/2021 at 14:21


Once was plenty.







... I know, I know. Don't bother.  

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#37 15/03/2021 at 06:57

No comment...
Andyben, 14/03/2021 at 14:56


Don't get me wrong if someone like Red Bull wanted a starting point to invest in the UK then we would be a decent option.

It has been mooted in MK - lets be honest the one place less likely to care as a fan base about it happening or the subsequent insults. Their stadium is better in the sense of what a modern organisation would want as well.

But they could get us on the cheap, with a history and tradition attached and a fairly decent fan base  

Happy clapping for 4 years more than Emre 

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#38 15/03/2021 at 10:15


Caledonian and Thistle
sheffieldblue, 14/03/2021 at 19:21

The BBC repeated their three or four part documentary about Scottish football last year. I forget what it was called. However, there was footage of the supporters meeting when the proposed ICT merger was announced. Fans on both sides didn't appear overly happy!

Not entirely sure whether their crowds increased or otherwise but I recall, after they dumped Celtic out of the Scottish Cup for the second time, their captain was interviewed in the dressing room. The bloke from Sky said something along the lines of, "good win. A great night for the fans as well" and the skipper's reply was, "aye, I just wish a few more of them would turn up every week!"

I also remember the summer of 1990. My family had just returned from our holiday in Portugal and faither asked the taxi driver, "have Hearts signed anyone?", to which the driver said, "well, they're trying to buy Hibs" Shock

There followed mass demonstrations, 'Hands off Hibs' t-shirts, crowd trouble at the first Edinburgh derby of the new season, death threats for the then Hearts Chairman. The city was pure toxic. Hardly surprising, therefore, that the status quo was maintained in the end.

I wasn't in favour of a 'merger' then and most certainly wouldn't be in favour involving the Sheffield clubs now. Businessmen can have their ideas but I'm sure there would be ways to make them see sense if / when the time came... 

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#39 15/03/2021 at 13:28

There was talk of a merger between Bristol clubs some time back and also reading and oxford the form Thames Valley royals in the 80s. Neither got over the line  

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#40 16/03/2021 at 21:51

The rivalry in Brizzle is as bad as ours. I lived there for 12 years. It was NEVER going to happen, as it won't here. 

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#41 16/03/2021 at 22:25

Honestly believe it would take 2 to 3 generations to pass on before any other team or new club would start to gain decent support. 

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#42 17/03/2021 at 01:43



Don't get me wrong if someone like Red Bull wanted a starting point to invest in the UK then we would be a decent option.

It has been mooted in MK - lets be honest the one place less likely to care as a fan base about it happening or the subsequent insults. Their stadium is better in the sense of what a modern organisation would want as well.

But they could get us on the cheap, with a history and tradition attached and a fairly decent fan base
mkowl, 15/03/2021 at 06:57


I can't see history and tradition rating highly in their considerations, to be fair. Hell, they'd probably see those as obstacles to overcome.

I would think that MK would be perfect for them. If Leipzig is any indication, their model isn't so much based upon tapping into established support as it is creating the support that their purchased success will bring. Not that support is the issue, at all, mind. Their clubs' raisons d'etre are to sell energy drinks. If anything, I'd think that Sheffield, where (the smaller, somewhat dingier) half of the city would be predisposed to reject the club and its sponsor/product (not to mention the potential fuss from a portion of the club's established support), might be somewhat less appealing for it.

In the end, I suppose, they won't give a shit either way. They'll pump their money in, get their results, use that success to sell their swill all over the world ... and presumably fans of some stripe will show up. Dietrich probably won't care if they do or not; but if they do, he probably won't care who they are, and definitely won't care what they or anybody else thinks about it. The expressed concerns of all German football culture (to say nothing of folks at the little club they'd purchased) didn't so much as raise an eyebrow at RB HQ.

So, yeah, you'd think it would be things like fans or infrastructure that would determine their preference, should they go about it in England. But when you consider Leipzig, they bypassed both. Perhaps they're thinking 'the smaller the club, the cleaner the slate' ... the fewer the obstacles to building exactly what they want. I have no idea; but as we come out of the pandemic there are going to be so many clubs in the Football League available for a song that they won't be starved for choice. Who knows? Ugh.  

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#43 17/03/2021 at 06:35

Its an interesting debate

Would our fan base trade off to be called RB Wednesday and being (lets be polite) run better and with it a greater likelihood of on the field success

Or

Do you stick with tradition

The problem is the last near on 25 years the latter has not really had any sustained success and we now look as far a way as ever.

We are almost an hybrid anyway with the Chansiri brand taking prominence.

History and tradition are great but not if the present is a mess 

Post edited on 17/03/2021 at 06:36 by mkowl

Happy clapping for 4 years more than Emre 

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#44 17/03/2021 at 08:49

Can we at least give some of their energy drink to the team at half time? 

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#45 17/03/2021 at 09:20

One thing is certain. As both clubs have autocratic rulers if they decide to go down the merger route the fans won't be able to stop it. 

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