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Doyen Good… Bad… Indifferent… Who Knows?

Site member, Tylluan, looks into... How much are Doyen into the club? Are we the new FC Twente?

The following is pure speculation on my part and I’m just sounding off.
The Black Sheep piece on Doyen that Andyben originally posted on the forum a week or so ago... https://theblacksea.eu/index.php?idT=88&i dC=88&idRec=1277&recType=story and the piece by Matt Brown https://footballtyper.wordpress.com/2017/ 10/18/28-months-later/ got me thinking how much is Doyen really into our club?

Doyen used to be huge in the player 3rd party ownership game but as more and more Football Associations outlaw the process Doyen had to find other revenue streams.

1 Assisted movement. The Black Sheep article mentions, and any Google search shows, that Doyen legitimately ‘assists’ movement of players by helping to finance deals for clubs for players they may not normally be able to afford. Doyen then expects their money back, plus interest, within three years or they take a higher percentage of any future transfer fee. As an example Marcos Rojo moved from Spartak to Sporting for 4m Euros. Sporting fronted a million and Doyen ‘loaned’ Sporting the rest against 75% of any future transfer and also became Rojo’s agents. Rojo moved to Man Utd 2 years later for 20m Euros with Doyen taking 15m plus an agent’s fee. (Sporting tried not to pay Doyen back citing third party ownership but Doyen won the case as the loan was secured against future income and not the player himself and they argued they were taking the risk)
UEFA and FIFA are trying to ban assisted movement, or player’s economic rights as it’s called, as a form of 3rd party ownership but the Spanish and Portuguese FAs are challenging as they say they can’t compete with the rest of Europe without assisted help

2 Speculating on young players and regular transfer activity. Doyen are aggressively sourcing and acquiring the agent’s rights for young players and then ‘gambling’ on their future worth. They’re using the transfer market like a futures market and again this is perfectly legitimate. George Hirst is an example of this. Doyen now act as George’s agents. George will have taken a lump sum from Doyen and Doyen will now act on his and their behalf. The more times George move clubs the more agents fees Doyen pick up, normally being paid by both the selling and buying clubs and also the player for negotiating the move. Doyen are speculating that George will have a long and prosperous career mutually beneficial to both. If George fails to fulfil his promise then, hopefully, he’s invested the original lump sum as something to fall back on and it’s Doyen that have gambled and lost. Doyen very rarely lose. As part of the deal Doyen regularly include ‘access’ to the player’s image rights and in the past have demanded money for their player appearing in a team photo.

3 Buying stakes in clubs. The Black Sheep article talks about a time when Doyen explored buying significantly in to clubs in order to facilitate easier player movement. This was initially blocked as it was seen as a conflict of interest but they’ve found another way. Much like assisting clubs to buy players they’re now assisting owners to find buyers and assisting potential owners to find clubs. This is the one that worries me the most.

In 2004 Joop Munsterman bought FC Twente with the help of Doyen acting as ‘advisors’. What followed was a golden period for Twente as they regularly appeared in Europe and brought in quality players. In 2014 the club’s new president found it in commercial and economic crisis and the Dutch FA found that Doyen had originally paid a sum of money as an investment into the club in return for a large say in Twente’s transfer dealings. Twente were banned from Europe and relegated to the lowest Dutch professional league. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2015 /dec/15/twente-banned-europe-knvb-licensi ng-conditions

Black Sheep talks about Doyen assisting a Thai businessman in trying to buy AC Milan in 2014/15. What if that Thai businessman wasn’t the only one they helped? Did Doyen help Chansiri buy SWFC and if so to what point? Who did Milan use to look for a buyer? Doyen have had dealings with Mammadov owned clubs in the past.

DC buys the club, wipes the debt, and lays out (according to Matt Brown) a 3-4 year plan. This falls in line with Doyen’s usual payback clauses if they’ve monetarily assisted in the purchase. After all the speculation on our new manager a complete unknown comes in and brings his own backroom staff. Carlos and the Portuguese side of his staff are all Doyen. Before coming to us Carlos was technical director at Al Ahli with a specific remit on developing youth talent, which falls in line with Doyen’s remit on snapping up young talent.

I think that Doyen were quite happy to sit back a little in that first season as the team exceeded expectation. As mentioned by others the majority of players brought in were done so by the Roeder, Senior, and Hill committee.

Here’s a list of the players I believe Doyen have had a hand in bringing to the club
Joao, Matias, Lopez, Abdi, Pudil, Sougou, Emanuelson, Centeno, Venancio, Sasso and Lachman. If the rumours were true of DC funding the Bus and Melo transfers then I think these are Doyen players also. Van Aken fits the profile of someone Doyen would speculate on. Lopez is a classic Doyen player. Signs for Celta Vigo then immediately gets shipped out on various loans to other Doyen tied in clubs, not kicking a ball for Celta, until he transfers to another Doyen club. McGeady and McManaman both have the same agent but I don’t know if it’s Doyen. However Doyen have ties with Spartak Moscow so you could argue a connection.

Ever since DC took over we’ve gone to Portugal pre-season and played Doyen influenced clubs.
If Doyen are a sleeping partner within our club then it goes one of two ways. DC pays what he owes, if the contract allows, and we get rid. Or Doyen stay and affect the club to their advantage, which means a revolving door of foreign players, much like at Watford and soon to be seen at Wolves with Jorge Mendes, and increased prices to match increased profit percentage marks.

Now there’s good and bad to this. Atletico Madrid is a prime example of a heavily influenced Doyen club and look where they are and what they achieve. If Doyen are into us as much as I’m beginning to think they are then if we get to the Premier League I think we’ll see us surpass Watford and we may become the Atletico of the Prem. But with that comes a price and if Doyen decides to pull the plug at any time, or the plug is pulled by others, then we may be in too deep to swim out of it. FC Twente are a prime example.

Thanks for listening…

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