lobster Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Allways said that but it starts with BIg Ron . Big Ron worked to a formula, tried and trusted players that are going to give you 3/4 years by which time he has moved on. Francis carried on the same way but this coincided with the inception of the PL when all of a sudden a mediocre squad player that might have cost £500k now costs £3/4 mill, we could not compete and got ourselves in a mess ,the rest is history 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 6 hours ago, Owling_Wolf said: One of the worst 'own goals' of my Wednesday supporting life, in my opinion, lead to the best football playing era - the early 1990s team - being ended unneccesarily early. Simply put, half of the promotion, L.C. winning, Europe, 4 x Wembley side needed replacing for reasons of advancing age, taking manager / coaching roles elsewhere, etc. Unfortunately, Trev somehow managed to lose us virtually all of the then first team, not just the necessary ones. Whilst he then brought in a couple of good players, this action ultimately lead to him losing his job and - later - us being on the slippery slope to losing our status. Too many changes, too soon. (Big hints of similar from Xisco too: tons of new, unfamiliar players brought in whilst all of the established players were destabilised at the same time by changing the type of football to an unfamiliar one. Needed the former, probably didn't need the latter at the same time. Baby / bathwater syndrome.) So, to avoid that happening again now, whilst multiple players are released and others potentially sold or loaned out, multiple others are welcomed to the fold by whatever means, lets not make the same mistakes again. Retain at least SOME of the older, reliable players as foundations to slot the newcomers around and amongst. Then, when the newbies are (hopefully) successful, they can become the foundations to slot more newcomers around whilst the 'old faithfulls' fade away or ride off into the sunset. Evolution not revolution. With our current manager and his team of advisors deciding and judging the pace of change. I accept the thinking, but there have probably equally been times that players have been retained and its backfired. The likes of Lee and Hutchinson in recent times, decent players but with appaling injury records and general lack of availability. Notwithstanding the assertions that it can become a powerful clique that undermines the manager - possibly both those reasons were behind Francis decisions. I never have strong views as to an individual player, if they leave so be it, if they choose not to join so be it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nickelarse Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 2 hours ago, mkowl said: I accept the thinking, but there have probably equally been times that players have been retained and its backfired. The likes of Lee and Hutchinson in recent times, decent players but with appaling injury records and general lack of availability. Notwithstanding the assertions that it can become a powerful clique that undermines the manager - possibly both those reasons were behind Francis decisions. I never have strong views as to an individual player, if they leave so be it, if they choose not to join so be it. We know though that there are necessarily going to be a raft of changes anyway. It's about balance too. Keeping injury prone players is a huge risk certainly( exceptions like Luongo/Ipswich are rare) and this makes cutting the likes of Byers loose ostensibly prudent..... and indeed raises questions over Windass. It surely makes sense though to retain a core of solid, proven performers at this level, to help smooth the evolutionary process. Too much too soon is as fraught with risk as overly clinging to the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 3 minutes ago, BraddersTim said: Disagree about Lee, there was nothing wrong with his injury record until Carlos ran him into the ground. Well that was Carlos the **** for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lobster Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 33 minutes ago, BraddersTim said: Disagree about Lee, there was nothing wrong with his injury record until Carlos ran him into the ground. Not so - he had injury problems at Man Utd that's why he ended up playing fullback at Oldham which was a less demanding role . Things finally caught up with him but not helped by Carlos bringing him back too early and over using him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 I trust DR to get it right. Look at the tune he managed to get out of the current lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Nobody ever remembers season two of The Mighty Ducks or Jossys Giants tho... Which is what we effectively were last time round under DR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tewksbury Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 10 minutes ago, Andyben said: Nobody ever remembers season two of The Mighty Ducks or Jossys Giants tho... Which is what we effectively were last time round under DR Try it when it's quiet. Half the time it will just get lost in the crowd, they still get loads of tweets and replies. I've had a few replies from both about random stuff, but they can come at odd times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 17 minutes ago, Tewksbury said: Try it when it's quiet. Half the time it will just get lost in the crowd, they still get loads of tweets and replies. I've had a few replies from both about random stuff, but they can come at odd times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 I think (some) Wednesday fans are the only ones that don't appreciate Bannan. That lad has been the only one to stay around when he could've easily gone like many others and has dragged us through games with his commitment and attitude. Might not have got the goals and assists he and we would like this season but he's assisted many an assist. Easily deserving of a new contract. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted May 21 Author Share Posted May 21 More stunning shitstirring 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canterburyowl Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Just seen that article, absolutely pointless 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 3 minutes ago, Canterburyowl said: Just seen that article, absolutely pointless Panic on the streets of Walkley, Stannington and Grenoside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 44 minutes ago, mkowl said: Panic on the streets of Walkley, Stannington and Grenoside You've missed out Rotherham. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradowl Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 2 hours ago, Reesh said: More stunning shitstirring Slow news day I've just told Crann. 21st May today with season not starting till 10/11 August, all clubs that have released loads of players will have a small squads of players at moment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted May 21 Author Share Posted May 21 20 minutes ago, bradowl said: Slow news day I've just told Crann. 21st May today with season not starting till 10/11 August, all clubs that have released loads of players will have a small squads of players at moment. Morecambe have 5 players apparently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nickelarse Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Just a clickbated and dramatised reworking of it's own article about the retained last that it published last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 That twats sticking round longer than Mark Fowler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradowl Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Stop calling Crann names on here. 🤣🤣🤣 He's only doing his job. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 44 minutes ago, bradowl said: Stop calling Crann names on here. 🤣🤣🤣 He's only doing his job. 😁 OK Joe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southy_SWFC Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 57 minutes ago, bradowl said: Stop calling Crann names on here. 🤣🤣🤣 He's only doing his job. 😁 Thought he'd been given the boot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto_Man Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 6 hours ago, Reesh said: More stunning shitstirring I presume they haven't provided any comparison to the picture at other local teams? Rotherham had 12 out of contract and have only offered to 1 so can't have too many more surely?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted May 21 Author Share Posted May 21 16 minutes ago, Otto_Man said: I presume they haven't provided any comparison to the picture at other local teams? Rotherham had 12 out of contract and have only offered to 1 so can't have too many more surely?! Have they fuck, they aren't off Owlstalk long enough to. Soon be rid of Creepy Crann thank fuck. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nickelarse Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 1 hour ago, Alan Finney said: ..................... So, if you want an answer from them it's best to have a go at them in the question and they're quick to defend themselves. Not so with Staton though, he just blocks you, spoilsport he is. Yep......... more likely anti DC agenda driven than just spoilsport IMO though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 4 hours ago, Teddy Nickelarse said: Yep......... more likely anti DC agenda driven than just spoilsport IMO though. Reckon that prick Staton is a part of the 1867 bell ends. Always bangs on abart em and OTT anti DC in his commentary and on wireless. Right at the start he was pushing em and quick to air their view even though nobody knew/ knows who they are 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fOWLmouth Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 1 hour ago, Alan Finney said: Ref the paranoid thing, I must state I'm not medically trained to make that assertion, it was just how he came across. Re paranoia,I was once told ‘just because you think everyone is out to get you,it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re wrong’. It wasn’t an accusation either,before anyone says anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billysboy Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 2 hours ago, Ozzie said: Reckon that prick Staton is a part of the 1867 bell ends. Always bangs on abart em and OTT anti DC in his commentary and on wireless. Right at the start he was pushing em and quick to air their view even though nobody knew/ knows who they are Stalk sympathiser, along with Miller and Crann, getting frustrated now his mate Shaw fucked up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted May 22 Author Share Posted May 22 Crann at his sublime "best" https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/sheffield-wednesdays-danny-rohl-latest-as-talks-continue-over-new-contract-4637786 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradowl Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 2 hours ago, Reesh said: Crann at his sublime "best" https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/sheffield-wednesdays-danny-rohl-latest-as-talks-continue-over-new-contract-4637786 I thought Danny was under contract for another 12 months, it would be good to tie him down to a further 24 months though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 11 minutes ago, bradowl said: thought Danny was under contract for another 12 months Chris Powell in his interview, with the Star, about his own contract mentions everyone but him signed 2 1/2 year deals. But Crann always fails to mention that when writing drivel like this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted May 22 Author Share Posted May 22 15 minutes ago, Tylluan said: Chris Powell in his interview, with the Star, about his own contract mentions everyone but him signed 2 1/2 year deals. But Crann always fails to mention that when writing drivel like this. So to the end of the 26 season then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 I've just dug the interview out and I got my sums wrong but Powell says this "My contract actually ends this June, I didn’t sign until the end of next year like everyone else." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheffieldblue Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 4 hours ago, Tylluan said: I've just dug the interview out and I got my sums wrong but Powell says this "My contract actually ends this June, I didn’t sign until the end of next year like everyone else." I think we should encourage Powell to sign an extended contract. IF Danny moves on in the next 18 months, he would be an ideal choice to take over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted May 22 Author Share Posted May 22 10 minutes ago, Sheffieldblue said: I think we should encourage Powell to sign an extended contract. IF Danny moves on in the next 18 months, he would be an ideal choice to take over Powell says he's not interested in managing again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 1 hour ago, Sheffieldblue said: I think we should encourage Powell to sign an extended contract. IF Danny moves on in the next 18 months, he would be an ideal choice to take over Don't disagree, pal, but seem to remember him saying that he's done with being a manager and just wants to be a coach now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 Stability off the pitch is absolutely vital in terms of the coaching staff we have right now. The admirers won’t just come from other clubs owners, but also, players talk to each other…. I can’t imagine many of the players here NOW would have bad words to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted May 23 Author Share Posted May 23 https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/alan-biggs-common-sense-approach-needed-in-sheffield-wednesday-transfer-strategy-4638924 Biggs can't help himself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/danny-rohl-sheffield-wednesday-seek-long-deal-to-secure-future-of-in-demand-manager-4640789 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 25 minutes ago, Alan Finney said: Thank god Biggs has a firm hand on the tiller. Quite obvious DC has been hanging on his every word. 10/10 for stating the fucking obvious. Who's up next claiming credit. Baldrick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skamp Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 I think you'll find that Baldrick said cunning, not ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 1 hour ago, Alan Finney said: Thank god Biggs has a firm hand on the tiller. Quite obvious DC has been hanging on his every word. 10/10 for stating the fucking obvious. Who's up next claiming credit. They're all at it. Doom even trying it even after linking Danny with every job going. Tbf to DC he has backed his managers, it's a shame a lot of em were duds. I'm glad DC listened to the local hacks and took on board their salient points. Cheeky fuckers the lost of em, spent all season trying to undermine and now they knew all along he was the real deal. pricks. Watched an oppositions YouTube before end of season and Doom was the expert guest... Went on how Wednesday fans took time to attach to Danny but he could see he had something Utter tit, from memory the vast majority were on board from day 1. He was even stalked at the reserve game in his Moncler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lobster Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 Well the Star has hit a new low even for that pile of crap . The main Wednesday headline is about the 1867 statement with a picture of the protest banner telling DC to get out of our club . Just how low can they get 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 12 hours ago, Ozzie said: They're all at it. Doom even trying it even after linking Danny with every job going. Tbf to DC he has backed his managers, it's a shame a lot of em were duds. I'm glad DC listened to the local hacks and took on board their salient points. Cheeky fuckers the lost of em, spent all season trying to undermine and now they knew all along he was the real deal. pricks. Watched an oppositions YouTube before end of season and Doom was the expert guest... Went on how Wednesday fans took time to attach to Danny but he could see he had something Utter tit, from memory the vast majority were on board from day 1. He was even stalked at the reserve game in his Moncler I think most were relieved to see Xisco leave. I will readily admit my expectation was simply that Rohl would stem that particular rot but there was not enough quality in the squad and in depth to fundamentally change the outcome. And I still think to Rohls absolute credit he overachieved with that squad. Helped they had a goal and points total to fight for. One aspect of the comments yesterday was "getting us in the top 10". Not proclaiming the play offs or autos. I appreciate positions 1 - 6 are just that, but the ambition this forthcoming season is not going to be over stated. The fan base need to appreciate that this will take a degree of patience, you always hear of 2 maybe 3 transfer windows to turn this around. Because we are realistically only going to go upwards in a similar way to Ipswich or Luton. Financially it's impossible to compete against the parachute payment clubs. Hopefully Rohl gets the support by Chansiri - on the infrastructure etc. That to me is way more important backing that is required, not the transfer market Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 9 hours ago, lobster said: Well the Star has hit a new low even for that pile of crap . The main Wednesday headline is about the 1867 statement with a picture of the protest banner telling DC to get out of our club . Just how low can they get Seriously? If so that's shocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 It does show the Nevs up though doesn't it as it contradicys their latest statement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 While there are some things that raise questions …. THIS I enjoyed reading. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 1 hour ago, HoylandOwl said: While there are some things that raise questions …. THIS I enjoyed reading. Yep. Am I right in thinking that he played with Vardy at Halifax? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted May 25 Author Share Posted May 25 15 minutes ago, Owling_Wolf said: Yep. Am I right in thinking that he played with Vardy at Halifax? Yes he did 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 16 minutes ago, Reesh said: Yes he did Seems ridiculous now! Obviously they won't yet have become the players they went on to be, but at that level? 😮 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted May 25 Author Share Posted May 25 6 minutes ago, Owling_Wolf said: Seems ridiculous now! Obviously they won't yet have become the players they went on to be, but at that level? 😮 Two Sheffield lads of a similar age, earned both moves a level above and a league career. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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