Tylluan Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 Danny Rohl was interviewed five days after Moore left and was offered the job but the DFB wouldn't release him. However it was common knowledge that Flick was on a game by game basis, after not getting out of the group stage in the World Cup and 3 losses and a draw in the subsequent games. The Japan loss tipped it over and Rohl became available. There were no other interviews, Rohl just got the job based on his previous interview 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomadOwl Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 50 minutes ago, Tylluan said: Danny Rohl was interviewed five days after Moore left and was offered the job but the DFB wouldn't release him. However it was common knowledge that Flick was on a game by game basis, after not getting out of the group stage in the World Cup and 3 losses and a draw in the subsequent games. The Japan loss tipped it over and Rohl became available. There were no other interviews, Rohl just got the job based on his previous interview I’ve always wondered about this. Chansiri made plenty of weird comments in *that* press conference. But it was the one along the lines of: ‘he (Xisco) didn’t have the best cv but he’s the man I’ve picked to do the job’ (I’m horribly paraphrasing) that stuck out to me at the time. When DR came in it felt like DC had finally had his actual first pick. Honestly, in the end I think it’ll work in our favour. Rohl’s now got hero status with us already, and (I fucking hope) will probably stay coz of that and the fact he’s still not had a full preseason as a manager. Last season with him in from the off, who knows what would’ve happened. But I think we would have been decent enough that he could’ve been poached this close season, and he might’ve been more tempted to move on, having had a full season under his belt. Basing this on nothing but a few beers deep logic, naturally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrolMong Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 I’ve never seen a team look so uncoached and unfit as I have seen under Xisco. There was no plan with the ball, a low block that was so low, we couldn’t get beyond our own side of the centre circle. We were in absolute disarray when facing any set piece pretty that meant the other team could get the ball in our box. More concerningly, the players looked lost. Xisco is easily in a top 3 alongside Garry Monk and Eustace/Turner/Jos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheffieldblue Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 All this chat about worst manager ever, and no mention of Steve Burtenshaw . The conversation should be all about second worst manager ever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lobster Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 4 hours ago, Sheffieldblue said: All this chat about worst manager ever, and no mention of Steve Burtenshaw . The conversation should be all about second worst manager ever To quote wikipedia - Steve Burtenshaw a man with no redeeming features whatsoever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 (edited) 11 hours ago, Sheffieldblue said: All this chat about worst manager ever, and no mention of Steve Burtenshaw . The conversation should be all about second worst manager ever I was just reading through this thread, ready to post exactly that. 'You young 'uns', 😋, it's scary how little some of you know about our club. Burtenshaw was touted at the time as the best coach in England, (That London), and we were praised for giving him his first job as an actual Manager. 👀 Our reward, becoming the first Sheffield club to drop below the halfway point in the (then) Football League, the shame at which was shocking at the time. And with a squad featuring not only several players who'd appeared to be quality young players not long before but also some experienced ones with quality careers behind them. (Without checking, I think Colin Harvey was one: a league champion with Everton and (briefly, I think), an England international.) So step forward Steve Burtenshaw, worst manager in SWFC history at the time and easily worse than all the ones mentioned above until Xisco Muñoz. Who gets it out of those two? We'd have to know all the circumstances that affected both. And I enjoy life too much to spoil it by volunteering to dive into that miserable rôle, thanks. Having had to live through both regimes was bad enough! Edited May 20 by Owling_Wolf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Xisco was fucking dreadful for us, can't believe there's backing for him. Burtenshw is just a bit out of my era, can remember mi Dad not being fond of him though. Useless Eustace, Monk, Pulis, Xisco and Luhukay through the trapdoor for me. All equally as shit as each other. As an aside Danny is one helluva find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Wagner calling Danny The German Pulis ended any niceties to him from me. Citing our effectiveness from corners. At that point we had scored from 2 corners all season, both in that game. bitter twat. With them both being German I expected a bit more camaraderie to be offered. Nope, he's just a twat. Had a feeling then he knew he wasn't far from the chop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pook Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 5 hours ago, Ozzie said: Wagner calling Danny The German Pulis ended any niceties to him from me. Citing our effectiveness from corners. At that point we had scored from 2 corners all season, both in that game. bitter twat. With them both being German I expected a bit more camaraderie to be offered. Nope, he's just a twat. Had a feeling then he knew he wasn't far from the chop. I could be dead wrong on this, so apologies if so, but ... My recollection is that Wagner was having somewhat good-natured go at having been bettered by Rohl's more 'pragmatic' changes. A kind of 'we planned for Pep and were beating him, but got Pulis in the second half and didn't cope'. A jab in there, to be sure, but with a tip-of-the-hat at the same time. I don't remember it coming off as a real shot at Rohl. I don't trust my memory on things like this nearly as much as I used to, but that's how I remember it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted May 20 Author Share Posted May 20 4 minutes ago, pook said: I could be dead wrong on this, so apologies if so, but ... My recollection is that Wagner was having somewhat good-natured go at having been bettered by Rohl's more 'pragmatic' changes. A kind of 'we planned for Pep and were beating him, but got Pulis in the second half and didn't cope'. A jab in there, to be sure, but with a tip-of-the-hat at the same time. I don't remember it coming off as a real shot at Rohl. I don't trust my memory on things like this nearly as much as I used to, but that's how I remember it. You're spot on, there was no malice in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Came across as being snide to me. "Bottom" team came from behind to draw with his "superior team" and couldn't hack it so took a swipe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted May 20 Author Share Posted May 20 23 minutes ago, Ozzie said: Came across as being snide to me. "Bottom" team came from behind to draw with his "superior team" and couldn't hack it so took a swipe. Yeah but we've ascertained over your time posting on here you're a bit thick. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 1 hour ago, Ozzie said: Came across as being snide to me. "Bottom" team came from behind to draw with his "superior team" and couldn't hack it so took a swipe. He seems the type to not have a go at his team publically, but could be wrong, so tried to deflect perhaps. Either way, cry me a river Wagner and piss off back to the xfactor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto_Man Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 12 hours ago, Ozzie said: Came across as being snide to me. "Bottom" team came from behind to draw with his "superior team" and couldn't hack it so took a swipe. Seemed the opposite to me, more like he was criticising himself and it was him that was out thought. Re-read the match thread and you'll recall we went massive ale house in the second half after trying to "play" them first. It probably wouldn't be that unfair a comment even if that had been what he meant... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 18 minutes ago, Otto_Man said: Seemed the opposite to me, more like he was criticising himself and it was him that was out thought. Re-read the match thread and you'll recall we went massive ale house in the second half after trying to "play" them first. It probably wouldn't be that unfair a comment even if that had been what he meant... When Rohl goes more direct, we look very much like we did under Wilko at times - not the more tradtional 'lump it up t' bug un' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Mowbray has quit Brum - not fit enough to return to duties I hate to say not sure that is ending well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted May 21 Author Share Posted May 21 I wish him all the best, comes across as one of the nice guys in football. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 50 minutes ago, mkowl said: Mowbray has quit Brum - not fit enough to return to duties I hate to say not sure that is ending well I thought that too. But hope he’s ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lobster Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 https://www.majorcadailybulletin.com/news/local/2024/05/20/124059/klopp-and-mallorca.html On a lighter note Klippity's house in Mallorca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 3 minutes ago, lobster said: https://www.majorcadailybulletin.com/news/local/2024/05/20/124059/klopp-and-mallorca.html On a lighter note Klippity's house in Mallorca Quite surprised he admitted buying it, and didn't claim to build it himself for free from all local products - whilst accusing Pep of overspending for his Villa 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAL Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Pochettino gone from Chelsea by mutual consent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted May 21 Author Share Posted May 21 10 minutes ago, MAL said: Pochettino gone from Chelsea by mutual consent. Fucking hell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamblor Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 25 minutes ago, MAL said: Pochettino gone from Chelsea by mutual consent. It felt like that one was coming given a few comments that Poch has made over the past couple of weeks, but I can’t see the reasoning. Maybe that he hasn’t turned a bunch of mediocre players (and Palmer) into world beaters in one season so he has to go as the owners have to blame someone for their own incompetence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto_Man Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Crazy decision, they've had a very good second half of the season and have looked devastating at times (the West Ham and Everton games in particular). I actually think he had gotten that team as close to being world beaters as anyone could Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys 12th Pint Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 36 minutes ago, MAL said: Pochettino gone from Chelsea by mutual consent. Di Zerbi or Amourin next in ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto_Man Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Allegri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Saw yesterday that Tuchel has reportedly said he wants Chelsea or ManU job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrolMong Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Poch going is exactly what you’d expect to see when you have an ownership group with a load of money, but no football sense decide to play Football Manager. It’s very well know that every single manager in that new regime hasn’t always had a say in the players that have come and gone. Poch even hinted at it himself, like repeatedly asking for a striker and ending up with midfield players. If I am Man Utd, I am sacking Ten Haag tonight and getting Poch in tomorrow. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaconowl Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 3 hours ago, MAL said: Pochettino gone from Chelsea by mutual consent. I am not surprised. He wont be short of offers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCraigsOwl Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 On the day Chelsea drew 1-1 at Man City, I said on a family WhatsApp that they "will be Champions within 5 years. May need a different manager though, cos Poch is the perennial bridesmaid". Didn't quite expect it to happen so soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 Chelsea doing Chelsea things… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamblor Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 Rumours that Kompany to Bayern is almost done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 17 minutes ago, Gamblor said: Rumours that Kompany to Bayern is almost done. That genuinely surprises me given his first go at top level management was pretty abject and he was supported in the transfer market. I never saw them play well other than against the Pigs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamblor Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 20 minutes ago, mkowl said: That genuinely surprises me given his first go at top level management was pretty abject and he was supported in the transfer market. I never saw them play well other than against the Pigs There was a naïvity with Burnley this season. Kompany’s style wasn’t working against the step up in opposition and he just stuck with it regardless. If he goes to the club with the most resources and arguably best squad in the Bundesliga then that weakness may not show as much. That is until they’re up against Man City or Real and play right into their hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys 12th Pint Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 1 hour ago, Gamblor said: Rumours that Kompany to Bayern is almost done. Pigonomics must mean Wilder was also in contention for the Bayern gig being next to Burnley in table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Can managers stop moving jobs please so no one considers/talks about DR… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys 12th Pint Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 1 hour ago, HoylandOwl said: Can managers stop moving jobs please so no one considers/talks about DR… If we can negotiate this Summer and still have Rohl as Manager it will be some feat. The Manager market is absolutely crazy at the moment and chuck into the mix Kompany to Bayern and then Maresca and McKenna being linked to Chelsea that could be Burnley, Ipswich and/or Leicester looking for Managers. Plus one of Southampton or Leeds may decide to change Managers after the Play Off Final. Quick scan on Leicester and Burnleys forums and both mentioning DR as a potential replacement. Sure his appearances on ITV's Euro coverage will raise his profile even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted May 23 Author Share Posted May 23 11 minutes ago, Hirstys 12th Pint said: If we can negotiate this Summer and still have Rohl as Manager it will be some feat. The Manager market is absolutely crazy at the moment and chuck into the mix Kompany to Bayern and then Maresca and McKenna being linked to Chelsea that could be Burnley, Ipswich and/or Leicester looking for Managers. Plus one of Southampton or Leeds may decide to change Managers after the Play Off Final. Quick scan on Leicester and Burnleys forums and both mentioning DR as a potential replacement. Sure his appearances on ITV's Euro coverage will raise his profile even more. Whilst money clearly talks and loyalty in football is a myth I believe Röhl will stick around and build if he is given assurance by DC or any potential mew incoming owner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Petrie Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 With a queue forming for the managers from the promoted teams AND the relegated teams (pretty much all of them except Wilder), it seems likely that if DR starts the season with us (which I think he will), and has any degree of success, he’ll be a man (even more) in demand next summer. His legacy may be that he was the man that used his muscle to push through a modern structure at the club, that means when he does leave there is some continuity and we don’t crash and burn. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 We'll have Bannan doing the whole she-bang, player/manager/captain/set pieces/coach driver if Rohl goes in summer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nickelarse Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 36 minutes ago, Bob Petrie said: With a queue forming for the managers from the promoted teams AND the relegated teams (pretty much all of them except Wilder), it seems likely that if DR starts the season with us (which I think he will), and has any degree of success, he’ll be a man (even more) in demand next summer. His legacy may be that he was the man that used his muscle to push through a modern structure at the club, that means when he does leave there is some continuity and we don’t crash and burn. Good point. The certainty is that he will leave at some stage but then his legacy becomes the important thing. The signs are that he will sign an extended contract, likely with increased compensation for the club if he's poached in the future and better terms for himself including severence pay if he were dismissed down the line. He'll want security if he's to bring his family from Germany. I expect the outcome to be an announcement shortly about an extended contract and Danny addressing the media about the clubs plans going forward - this summer and longer term. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nickelarse Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 1 hour ago, Hirstys 12th Pint said: If we can negotiate this Summer and still have Rohl as Manager it will be some feat. The Manager market is absolutely crazy at the moment and chuck into the mix Kompany to Bayern and then Maresca and McKenna being linked to Chelsea that could be Burnley, Ipswich and/or Leicester looking for Managers. Plus one of Southampton or Leeds may decide to change Managers after the Play Off Final. Quick scan on Leicester and Burnleys forums and both mentioning DR as a potential replacement. Sure his appearances on ITV's Euro coverage will raise his profile even more. Signs are that he'll be staying IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys 12th Pint Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 16 minutes ago, Teddy Nickelarse said: Signs are that he'll be staying IMO. I also think he will still be with us come start of the season but is certainly an interesting dynamic having someone in demand from other teams fans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 1 hour ago, Teddy Nickelarse said: Good point. The certainty is that he will leave at some stage but then his legacy becomes the important thing. The signs are that he will sign an extended contract, likely with increased compensation for the club if he's poached in the future and better terms for himself including severence pay if he were dismissed down the line. He'll want security if he's to bring his family from Germany. I expect the outcome to be an announcement shortly about an extended contract and Danny addressing the media about the clubs plans going forward - this summer and longer term. Am pretty sure what I was reading from the local journos on X yesterday was saying that an extended, enhanced contract here for him would have REDUCED compensation to the club in future. I remember wondering what the point of that was for the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Lopetegui in at West Ham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomadOwl Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Loyalty doesn’t mean anything in football. But I think Röhl knows it makes the most sense for his development to stay here for his first pre season/ full season at least. And I don’t think his comments about ‘tradition and big club’ when he first joined were pandering either. I think we’re a project to him and he wants to see that through for himself as much as the club. 2/3rds of a season (despite the remarkable achievement) isn’t quite long enough. He’s openly ambitious - moving to a Burnley or Ipswich or even a Leicester is not an ambitious step. It’s a rushed, half step-up, high risk - low reward, and he’s got more time than most. Saving a side from certain relegation, then having them challenging for promotion the season after (which, imo, he will) is a much more impressive legacy. Only slight concern is Southampton if they get rid of Martin due to Danny’s past with them. But even then I’m not sure he’ll leave. When he leaves us, I think it will be to a Euro challenging prem club or Bundesliga. Hopefully that offer comes no earlier than next summer, and at a time where we have a structure in place. (A lot of this is also blind hope on my part and I hope I’m right because I think we’re pretty fucked if he doesn’t stay this summer. We’re not ready to lose him yet) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southy_SWFC Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 T'dingles about to appoint Darrell Clarke who's currently at Cheltenham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamblor Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 13 minutes ago, NomadOwl said: Only slight concern is Southampton if they get rid of Martin due to Danny’s past with them. But even then I’m not sure he’ll leave. After how much Southampton pissed about delaying Martin’s appointment so that they’d pay less in compensation, I don’t think they’ll be paying Röhl’s contractual clause. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nickelarse Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, Owling_Wolf said: Am pretty sure what I was reading from the local journos on X yesterday was saying that an extended, enhanced contract here for him would have REDUCED compensation to the club in future. I remember wondering what the point of that was for the club. There would be no point. It makes no sense and likely is journalist guesswork. There is clearly more security for the club in keeping to the existing one year term than extending with a reduced club compensation clause. What makes sense all round is for DC and DR to negotiate greater security for both parties. Edited May 23 by Teddy Nickelarse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradowl Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Rohl close to an agreement on a new contract according to Staton's tweet a few minutes ago. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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