Andyben Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 On 20/07/2024 at 16:16, Andyben said: @Owlsonline's Toby Collyer and Ethan Wheatley start for Man U v Rangers which is on live now... One for the @Reeshand @KrolMong but Maxi Oyadele could be in if Collyer moved to first team squad. 🇵🇱 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 Ugbo left out of the squad for Troyes pre-season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys 12th Pint Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 Ideally would move on Wilks elsewhere and possibly Famewo. Then bring in a Centre Mid and a Left Sided Centre Back to replace Famewo. Plus completing the Ugbo signing, or similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl4ever1867 Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 46 minutes ago, Hirstys 12th Pint said: Ideally would move on Wilks elsewhere and possibly Famewo. Then bring in a Centre Mid and a Left Sided Centre Back to replace Famewo. Plus completing the Ugbo signing, or similar. Personally I don't mind Famewo but if we can get an upgrade on him, I'll take it. I've seen Wilks has been linked with Port Vale but I'll be stunned if he drops down to Division 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 Rumours flying around that both Poveda and Ugbo are close to being done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 18 minutes ago, Reesh said: Rumours flying around that both Poveda and Ugbo are close to being done. tHaTs ThE miDfIeLd sOrTeD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamblor Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 19 minutes ago, Reesh said: Rumours flying around that both Poveda and Ugbo are close to being done. If that happens, fucking hell. We have almost three weeks until the start of the season, have the club thought about the effect that’ll have on those “fans” who need something to moan about? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaconowl Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 3 minutes ago, Gamblor said: If that happens, fucking hell. We have almost three weeks until the start of the season, have the club thought about the effect that’ll have on those “fans” who need something to moan about? Many of them will be considering jumping off Tinsley Viaduct 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 16 minutes ago, Beaconowl said: Many of them will be considering jumping off Tinsley Viaduct I'll give em a hand. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 2 hours ago, owl4ever1867 said: Personally I don't mind Famewo but if we can get an upgrade on him, I'll take it. I've seen Wilks has been linked with Port Vale but I'll be stunned if he drops down to Division 2. Like when Byers did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted July 22 Author Share Posted July 22 4 hours ago, owl4ever1867 said: I've seen Wilks has been linked with Port Vale but I'll be stunned if he drops down to Division 2. I'll drive him there myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greno Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 9 minutes ago, Tylluan said: I'll drive him there myself I'll pay your petrol and help you get him out of the boot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank_Owl2,0 Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 5 hours ago, Reesh said: Rumours flying around that both Poveda and Ugbo are close to being done. Let’s hope so. I think we might see some exits happening then. Judging by DRs interview we may not be finished just yet with incomings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 Imagine, Ugbo, Poveda and Dembele all come in….. My god what is happening at our club!!!! I think if we managed to persuade someone to sign Wilks and take him off us for actual cash money on top of it, then it’ll be the best summer in a LONG time . 🤣🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 3 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said: Imagine, Ugbo, Poveda and Dembele all come in….. My god what is happening at our club!!!! I think if we managed to persuade someone to sign Wilks and take him off us for actual cash money on top of it, then it’ll be the best summer in a LONG time . 🤣🤣 I think realistically it would be good without being paid for him. Good for him, too: a fresh start with possibly his confidence back 'cos somebody wants him again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 (edited) 6 hours ago, HoylandOwl said: Imagine, Ugbo, Poveda and Dembele all come in….. My god what is happening at our club!!!! My fear too. What the hell are they thinking Edited July 23 by Andyben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 40 minutes ago, Andyben said: My fear too. What the hell are they thinking Crikey even I am having a break from negativity Won't last 🤫 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiamOwl Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 (edited) . Edited July 23 by LiamOwl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheExile Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 It was interesting that Rohl said yesterday he wanted “five no 6s”. I’m not sure exactly who he classes as a “6” but probably Bannan Palmer and Chalobah. He seemed to think Shipston or Fusire would the the fifth once but in short we should be expecting one or two new players there then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiamOwl Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 We seem really overloaded in the forward positions. Sure Wilks will go if anyone is daft enough, but wonder if Smith and Cadamarteri (loan) might follow. Makes me think we are only signing one of Dembele or Poveda too, we surely can’t accommodate both given everyone else up there is either new/re-signed or Musaba/Gassama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 19 minutes ago, TheExile said: a “6” but probably Bannan Palmer out of 10, at best, definitely, but not in that 'position' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tewksbury Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 Our midfield, or lack thereof, is again our weakest point. I think people underestimate how much heavy lifting Vaulks did and we still needed a back 3 so Palmer could step in to cover. If DR wants to play double 6s, what we have now won't cut it. Hoping that there will be at least one good starting midfielder still to come. If DR thinks he can keep Wilks fit, he'll be staying as per 90 stats wise he's very good in the end of game getting it up the pitch and relieving pressure role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 Musaba, Wilks, Kobacki, Neymarv are our only real wingers/inside forwards. Gassama, Windass, Ingelsson, Pato, & Jamal Lowe could do a job there - but aren't specialists. So if Wilks goes, we have space for one more or two if one can play centrally or as a wing back. But, we've got Smith, BTC, McNeill, Gassama, Kobacki, Musaba Lowe, Pato and Wilks who can play in the centre - advanced or behind - so to me it makes more sense to pick up someone who can play the full length of the wing - ideally a young un who wouldn't take up a spot in the senior 25 man squad. I think/hope that we're filling the squad before allowing others to leave (perm or loan) - I think Smith will stay. BTC goes on loan during august as we get loanees in. But like Rohl says (and thanks for reading, Danny) its central midfield that should be a priority now . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 28 minutes ago, Tewksbury said: Our midfield, or lack thereof, is again our weakest point. I think people underestimate how much heavy lifting Vaulks did and we still needed a back 3 so Palmer could step in to cover. If DR wants to play double 6s, what we have now won't cut it. Hoping that there will be at least one good starting midfielder still to come. If DR thinks he can keep Wilks fit, he'll be staying as per 90 stats wise he's very good in the end of game getting it up the pitch and relieving pressure role. So can't Chalaboah do the Vaulks role? Wouldnt be shocked if Valentin dropped in there too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 3 minutes ago, Reesh said: So can't Chalaboah do the Vaulks role? Wouldnt be shocked if Valentin dropped in there too For 50-odd games? No injuries / suspensions? Pol can't play 6 - and Rohl has his WBs more advanced as '8s' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 7 minutes ago, Andyben said: For 50-odd games? No injuries / suspensions? Pol can't play 6 - and Rohl has his WBs more advanced as '8s' He's averaged 28/29 games in the last 5 seasons - most he's played is 40 in 2020/21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrolMong Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 In a team that wants to press, our issue is very much in the middle of our midfield. Bannan can absolutely press and he has the mobility to do it. But he’s 35 years old. Chalobah is not that type of player, and he’s not been brought in to do that job. Palmer is mobile, but again, he’s not a natural in that position. The Swedish lad is someone who does it, but from an 8/11 position. So, Rohl is very much in the market for athletes who can do that job. Case in point would be the pastings we took at Ipswich and Southampton. Both opposition midfields were loaded with mobility, and when the forward went, they all went and they were winning the ball back 35 yards out. We also need to break the press, that’s why Chalobah has been brought in, along with Valery and Lowe. You’ll see Chalobah away from home a lot, he’s a good footballer. All we lack are players who can get the ball back and a striker. And they’ll both get sorted. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tewksbury Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 46 minutes ago, Reesh said: So can't Chalaboah do the Vaulks role? Wouldnt be shocked if Valentin dropped in there too Even if he can, which he can't for a 50 game season, we need another 3 who can do it too. Don't know enough about Ingelsson yet. Palmer isn't good enough, he can fill in or make the extra man if needed but can't hold the spot in his own right. Bannan doesn't have the discipline to stay away from the ball, there's no way we can play 4 at the back and a 2 man midfield with Bannan for 90 minutes without shipping a shedload of goals. With DR wanting rotation, plus a high workmate, we're going to need at least one starting quality, dedicated DM/CM type, not a defender who can play there, ora repurposed winger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyOwl Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 When does the transfer window close? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 My modern day irritation - the fact we have player shirts numbered up to #99 but now we talk about the 6, 8 or whatever. How about we just call em midfielders, their job is to run around, block, make tackles and when they get the ball pass the fucking thing to another of our players 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 18 minutes ago, HappyOwl said: When does the transfer window close? 1st September 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skamp Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 (edited) but then don't we go straight into the loan market as the PL try and shift players out for game time? edit or does that date include this? Edited July 23 by Skamp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Tewksbury said: Bannan doesn't have the discipline to stay away from the ball, there's no way we can play 4 at the back and a 2 man midfield with Bannan for 90 minutes without shipping a shedload of goals. Chalobah enables us to play 4 at the back, but IMO we'd need two Central Midfielders ahead of him if we're playing with Wingers/Inside Forwards in a 4-3-3 /4-4-2 or a younger playmaker next to him in a 4-2-3-1 because we know 100% that Bannan can't fill that role Edited July 23 by Andyben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrolMong Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 You’ll see us switch between 3-4-3, 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 a lot this season. The only guaranteed player in all three systems will be Musaba, because he can do his work with and without the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 1 hour ago, mkowl said: My modern day irritation - the fact we have player shirts numbered up to #99 but now we talk about the 6, 8 or whatever. How about we just call em midfielders, their job is to run around, block, make tackles and when they get the ball pass the fucking thing to another of our players I was going to post that we need to recruit someone to translate numbers into words for 'normal' fans who only speak in words, not in gobbledegook numbers all the time. This means you lot, Bendy, Tewks and KM. I remember when "Double Six" would have been a bar! John Harkes would have loved all of this stuff. Remember all his flash talking on the videos back in the early 'nineties? Him and Hirsty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tewksbury Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 48 minutes ago, Andyben said: Chalobah enables us to play 4 at the back, but IMO we'd need two Central Midfielders ahead of him if we're playing with Wingers/Inside Forwards in a 4-3-3 /4-4-2 or a younger playmaker next to him in a 4-2-3-1 because we know 100% that Bannan can't fill that role With the 2 in front, where do you put Windass, as you'll now be in a more 4141 formation and Windass isn't going to stay on the left? We'll see how it goes in the next couple of friendlies but from what I've seen, if the first half teams and setups from the friendlies so far is to be the majority of our starting 11, I can see a much slower start than some are expecting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 1 hour ago, Skamp said: but then don't we go straight into the loan market as the PL try and shift players out for game time? edit or does that date include this? It includes this mate 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tewksbury Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 31 minutes ago, Reesh said: It includes this mate Can't help but think that it would be much better if the top leagues finished the window for incomings a week earlier than everyone else to counter the trickle down scramble on the last day. But then they'd have to give a toss about leagues outside the top 5, so it'll never happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tewksbury said: With the 2 in front, where do you put Windass, as you'll now be in a more 4141 formation and Windass isn't going to stay on the left? We'll see how it goes in the next couple of friendlies but from what I've seen, if the first half teams and setups from the friendlies so far is to be the majority of our starting 11, I can see a much slower start than some are expecting. Windass play centrally off a striker in a 442, and in the middle of the attacking 3 for the 4231. 433. Bench unless we don't sign any more in Midfield in which case the the most forward of the two in front of Chalobah and uses his excellent timing to make runs beyond the 9 or into the penalty spot when ball with the wing forwards Today, as we stand, it's him and Inglesson ahead of NC. Edited July 23 by Andyben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tewksbury Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Andyben said: Windass play centrally off a striker in a 442, and in the middle of the attacking 3 for the 4231. 433. Bench unless we don't sign any more in Midfield in which case the the most forward of the two in front of Chalobah and uses his excellent timing to make runs beyond the 9 or into the penalty spot when ball with the wing forwards Today, as we stand, it's him and Inglesson ahead of NC. Bannan in the 2 in 4231, Bannan anywhere in a 442, we ship goals. Bannan has to play in front of 1 with another proper midfielder or in front of 2, or we're getting overrun against any decent team, as we have for a long while. The problem is, the relationship between Bannan and Windass is the only reason to keep either. Edited July 23 by Tewksbury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 Poveda to Sunderland rumour gathering pace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheExile Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 I’ve just heard that in the north east too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 12 minutes ago, TheExile said: I’ve just heard that in the north east too Offered better wages..... would rather us get Dembele than overpay for a lad with Wade Small hamstrings. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 2 hours ago, Tewksbury said: Bannan in the 2 in 4231, Bannan anywhere in a 442, we ship goals. Bannan has to play in front of 1 with another proper midfielder or in front of 2, or we're getting overrun against any decent team, as we have for a long while. The problem is, the relationship between Bannan and Windass is the only reason to keep either. Bannan's nowhere near the starting XI, don't know why you mention jom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheExile Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 16 minutes ago, Reesh said: Offered better wages..... would rather us get Dembele than overpay for a lad with Wade Small hamstrings. Yeah they are likely to sell one of Clarke, Bellingham or Roberts which would necessitate and fund whatever wage he’s after. Its dissapointing as I think he’s got real quality and could be one of the best in the league, but as you say not always available. Im aware one or two have signed for us despite better offers elsewhere basically because of Rohl and players really wanting to come. He was part of a good spell here so if the overriding factor is money that’s fair enough but it shows he’s probably a different character to the wider profile of the squad. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tewksbury Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 13 minutes ago, Andyben said: Bannan's nowhere near the starting XI, don't know why you mention jom I admire your faith. Don't think he will be toward the end of the season, however, I think he'll start the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 If you watch the video of Windass ' goals, very very few were created by Bannan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrolMong Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 Bannan will drop out when someone comes in and proves to Rohl that he’s a better option. Rohl really trusts him, especially in that more withdrawn role due to his ability to take the ball under pressure, pass the ball, and the energy he shows. For Bannan to not play, someone needs to come in and do the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 There's a few sniffs of a rumour about that lad from Rangers again, who we were linked with the other week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 3 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said: There's a few sniffs of a rumour about that lad from Rangers again, who we were linked with the other week. Scott Wright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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