Teddy Nickelarse Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 2 minutes ago, Tewksbury said: Bit left field, but I wouldn't be surprised if Gassama went out on loan. Frees up a work permit waiver, he's not getting the minutes that Musaba is and should walk into a L1 starting 11. I think Gassama could be a sensation for us this season. You can see why Musaba got more game time last season but personally I think that Gassama has a higher ceiling. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 Just now, Teddy Nickelarse said: I think Gassama could be a sensation for us this season. You can see why Musaba got more game time last season but personally I think that Gassama has a higher ceiling. This 100%. He was played out of position most of last season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted August 1 Author Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, HoylandOwl said: Loan looking likely for Bailey Huddersfield can get fucked. I wouldn't put him anywhere near Parkinson's way of coaching at Wrexham. Stockport would be a good fit, Blackpool would be my second choice out of that lot. Wherever he goes there has to be a stipulation that says he starts 80% of the games or there's no point in going. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nickelarse Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 2 minutes ago, Andyben said: This 100%. He was played out of position most of last season Yes I think he is a special talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nickelarse Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Tylluan said: ........... Wherever he goes there has to be a stipulation that says he starts 80% of the games or there's no point in going. 100% - with injury caveats. In any event a January recall option is a must IMO. Edited August 1 by Teddy Nickelarse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tewksbury Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 4 minutes ago, Andyben said: This 100%. He was played out of position most of last season But is he going to be played in position this season? Personally, I think he's best where Windass plays, some of his vision and linking play was immense last year. Unfortunately, I can see him being a sub again this season, played where he's needed. A season in his best position as a starter would turn him into a beast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 23 minutes ago, Tewksbury said: Bit left field, but I wouldn't be surprised if Gassama went out on loan. Frees up a work permit waiver, he's not getting the minutes that Musaba is and should walk into a L1 starting 11. Stop smoking crack. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellsview Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 7 minutes ago, Reesh said: Stop smoking crack. I shouldn’t have laughed at that but it made me proper laugh out loud! 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HoylandOwl Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, Tewksbury said: Bit left field, but I wouldn't be surprised if Gassama went out on loan. Frees up a work permit waiver, he's not getting the minutes that Musaba is and should walk into a L1 starting 11. Not a chance IMO of that happening 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theman Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 Bailey was at Worksop the other evening watching the U21s along with his dad, Beadle and Charles, he looked relaxed and took photos with the fans, for what that’s worth 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billysboy Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 2 hours ago, Tylluan said: Huddersfield can get fucked. I wouldn't put him anywhere near Parkinson's way of coaching at Wrexham. Stockport would be a good fit, Blackpool would be my second choice out of that lot. Wherever he goes there has to be a stipulation that says he starts 80% of the games or there's no point in going. Didn't his dad play for Hudders, not saying that's an influence but you never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tewksbury Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, HoylandOwl said: Not a chance IMO of that happening We only have 1 work permit waiver. If Cadamarteri is going out, there are still at least 2 strikers and a CM to come in and there were already rumours of a deal falling through due to work permit issues, which suggests that the waivers are all accounted for in the planning already. If Ugbo falls through, or there are issues elsewhere and we need another waiver, Gassama isn't a current starter so could be sent out. He only needed to play 50% of minutes last season to qualify for a work permit, which is why Pol and Musaba no longer need waivers and he's still only young so letting him out for a year to get minutes and allow another potential starting CF/CM is well within reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nickelarse Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 23 minutes ago, Tewksbury said: We only have 1 work permit waiver. If Cadamarteri is going out, there are still at least 2 strikers and a CM to come in and there were already rumours of a deal falling through due to work permit issues, which suggests that the waivers are all accounted for in the planning already. If Ugbo falls through, or there are issues elsewhere and we need another waiver, Gassama isn't a current starter so could be sent out. He only needed to play 50% of minutes last season to qualify for a work permit, which is why Pol and Musaba no longer need waivers and he's still only young so letting him out for a year to get minutes and allow another potential starting CF/CM is well within reason. He might not have been last season but likely to be more of a regular this term IMO. 19/20 year old last season at a new club in a foreign country. I'd be amazed if he goes out on loan. Expect big things from him this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 8 hours ago, Tewksbury said: We only have 1 work permit waiver. If Cadamarteri is going out, there are still at least 2 strikers and a CM to come in and there were already rumours of a deal falling through due to work permit issues, which suggests that the waivers are all accounted for in the planning already. If Ugbo falls through, or there are issues elsewhere and we need another waiver, Gassama isn't a current starter so could be sent out. He only needed to play 50% of minutes last season to qualify for a work permit, which is why Pol and Musaba no longer need waivers and he's still only young so letting him out for a year to get minutes and allow another potential starting CF/CM is well within reason. What rumours are these or are you making them to suit your post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 (edited) Gassama is under 21 so we don't need any WP or waiver - he comes under GBE regulations Edited August 2 by Andyben 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 (edited) ...all of this has been superceded by 'Elite Significant Contribution Rules" anyway What does ‘Elite Significant Contribution’ mean? The new regulations state that a player will be deemed an ‘ESC Player’ if “the Player is an elite player and will make a significant contribution to the sport”. In this respect, the FA expects the player to have satisfied one or more of the following conditions: played in at least one Youth Competitive International Match for a national team ranked in the top 50 places in the FIFA World Rankings; or played in at least 5 Youth Competitive International Matches for a national team ranked outside the top 50 places in the FIFA World Rankings; or played in at least one Continental Youth Competition Match; or played in at least five Domestic Youth Competition Matches; or played in at least one Senior Competitive International Match for a national team ranked in the top 50 places in the FIFA World Rankings; or played in at least five Senior Competitive International Matches for a national team ranked outside the top 50 places in the FIFA World Rankings; or played in at least one match in a Continental Competition; or played in at least five Domestic Senior Competition Matches. Gassama has met those conditions in BOLD above Edited August 2 by Andyben 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tewksbury Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 So who has the 3rd waiver of the 4 available? Ingelsson, Kobacki and....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 10 minutes ago, Tewksbury said: So who has the 3rd waiver of the 4 available? Ingelsson, Kobacki and....? Ingelsson doesn't. Kobacki will be one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 20 minutes ago, Tewksbury said: So who has the 3rd waiver of the 4 available? Ingelsson, Kobacki and....? Who do you think has a waiver? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tewksbury Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 3 hours ago, Andyben said: Who do you think has a waiver? The ESC is the work permit waiver thing I was on about. So Gassama, Kobacki and one other if Ingelsson isn't on one as Reesh put above. Valentin, Gassama and Valentin were on them last season. Valentin and Musaba get auto work permits due to playing 50% of minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 I'm guessing Valery but I don't recall seeing anywhere where it's been mentioned by the club as being an issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nickelarse Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 (edited) https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/championship-rivals-sunderland-edge-in-on-ike-ugbo-signing-as-sheffield-wednesday-enter-vital-few-days-4727150 Touch and go as it stands. Edited August 2 by Teddy Nickelarse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradowl Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 Wednesday have agreed a fee with Troyes for Ike Ugbo. £2.5m but Sunderland are sticking their nose in. I think he will still end up coming to us. 🤞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrolMong Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 Been told that we’ve got pretty much everything agreed with Troyes and Ugbo. There are clubs coming in late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nickelarse Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 12 minutes ago, KrolMong said: Been told that we’ve got pretty much everything agreed with Troyes and Ugbo. There are clubs coming in late. Payment scheduling apparently the issue. Hopefully can be ironed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 55 minutes ago, Teddy Nickelarse said: Payment scheduling apparently the issue. Hopefully can be ironed out. This could have a major effect upon our season, one way or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nickelarse Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 1 hour ago, Owling_Wolf said: This could have a major effect upon our season, one way or the other. True. Most importantly it needs sorting asap now as unlikely that he'd be up to speed for the very early games given our high intensity pressing. If accurate the £2.5m is appropriate value IMO. I hope we get him but if we don’t it won't be terminal though...... so long as a suitable plan B can be quickly brought in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheExile Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 I think it would he a huge blow if we lost out on him over the structure of payments especially as the team hed go to are one with similar aspirations and challenges. There are of course other strikers who can come in but with a known quantity in Ugbo at 2.5m (assuming that’s right) it feels like as safe a bet we could possibly ask for in the market and he’s been so keen to come here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billysboy Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 If we're allowing Cadamartiri out on loan, must be confident of signing Ugbo, or were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lobster Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 As I have said before Ugbo is less effective without Mussaba , obviously Sunderland haven't realised that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 16 hours ago, TheExile said: I think it would he a huge blow if we lost out on him over the structure of payments especially as the team hed go to are one with similar aspirations and challenges. There are of course other strikers who can come in but with a known quantity in Ugbo at 2.5m (assuming that’s right) it feels like as safe a bet we could possibly ask for in the market and he’s been so keen to come here D’ya know what, I wouldn’t be disappointed if we lost on payment structure. If we’re trying to get the right deal for us, which includes incentive payments for goals/promotion etc and not lumping out all at once, and staying within FFP and not putting the club at risk…. GOOD. We've danced with the devil before and got burned. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheExile Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 10 hours ago, HoylandOwl said: D’ya know what, I wouldn’t be disappointed if we lost on payment structure. If we’re trying to get the right deal for us, which includes incentive payments for goals/promotion etc and not lumping out all at once, and staying within FFP and not putting the club at risk…. GOOD. We've danced with the devil before and got burned. P&S won’t be about payment structure necessarily as it’s usually the value of the transfer over contract length. If we are willing to pay the fee I am assuming that is accounted for in P&S. we are not talking about Rhodes, Hooper and Fletcher expenditure here on fees and wages. It would be more of a targeted investment on a player we know all about and with resale value Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 I don't think there can be any arguments over payment structure can there as its something that is mandated by UEFA for all cross association transfers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Alan Nixon saying we are in for Tom Cannon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 6 minutes ago, Reesh said: Alan Nixon saying we are in for Tom Cannon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto_Man Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Rock on, loan or full transfer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 12 minutes ago, Otto_Man said: Rock on, loan or full transfer? Loan Bobby .... loan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorwichOwl Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 Seems we are looking at yet another winger. https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/sheffield-wednesday-and-stoke-city-considering-transfer-swoop-for-jeremy-livolant/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lobster Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 53 minutes ago, NorwichOwl said: Seems we are looking at yet another winger. https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/sheffield-wednesday-and-stoke-city-considering-transfer-swoop-for-jeremy-livolant/ Supposed to be signing for Stoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 Several sources on X saying Ugbo is in Sheffield. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 9 minutes ago, Reesh said: Several sources on X saying Ugbo is in Sheffield. Let's hope they're right. What a bloody difference his signing would make to our team and our (relative) 'mental health'! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 24 minutes ago, Reesh said: Several sources on X saying Ugbo is in Sheffield. ...spotted at BDTBL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 14 minutes ago, Owling_Wolf said: Let's hope they're right. What a bloody difference his signing would make to our team and our (relative) 'mental health'! Can he play Centre Mid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canterburyowl Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 Footballtyper is saying we are making progress and he is normally spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheExile Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 6 hours ago, lobster said: Supposed to be signing for Stoke Apparently he’s injured so unlikely to get a move now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nickelarse Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 (edited) Ugbo nearly there Rumoured €2.95m/£2.5 fee. https://www.thestar.co.uk//sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/sheffield-wednesday-expected-to-complete-signing-of-ike-ugbo-4732038?s=09 Edited August 7 by Teddy Nickelarse 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 Tee, can we get Moz back, please, just for one specific project? To make it so anyone on the O.S. or any Owls based social media, (especially 'X'), that types that word they all use in response to any club post or any tweet, irrespective of subject, gets an electric shock? You know... "Announ..." ZZZAAAAAPPPP!!!!! 😈 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyOwl Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 4 hours ago, Teddy Nickelarse said: Ugbo nearly there Rumoured €2.95m/£2.5 fee. https://www.thestar.co.uk//sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/sheffield-wednesday-expected-to-complete-signing-of-ike-ugbo-4732038?s=09 Does anyone else think that £2.5m is a bit much? I trust in Danny but it does feel a bit like we are stretching the budget 🤔🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nickelarse Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 2 minutes ago, HappyOwl said: Does anyone else think that £2.5m is a bit much? I trust in Danny but it does feel a bit like we are stretching the budget 🤔🤔 Personally no. The 4.5m that Troyes allegedly wanted I would agree would have been too much. It's also been quoted somewhere that the fee might actually be more like £/€1.5 plus 500k add ons anyway - bargain IMO. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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