Tewksbury Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 I look at it this way, we're in transition. The next 2 years after this are the win years. As long as we aren't in a relegation battle at the end, we've succeeded. We have enough to stay up comfortably and get some much needed experience to the core of the side going forward. Young players are going to get plenty of gametime, u21s will get opportunities and at the end of this season we only have 2 loans and a handful of over 30s to replace. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 15 minutes ago, KrolMong said: There’s more than enough in this squad to get us in and around the top 12. Yes, another striker would have been nice, as would have been a centre half. But I do know the staff really rate Otegbayo, who will be in and around. And Fusire will be knocking on the door in midfield. We have more than enough. And it gives us some swing room in Jan. And that is the point, why not utilise the younger players in your own squad, rather than loan in some more from an EPL side from which you get zero end reward And the fucktards saying we needed to ship players out, do they have a fucking clue about how contracts work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheExile Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 The bit everyone won’t like is that the objective will be to ensure we sell players to then fund a better team as a whole. Musaba et al if we are not looking like we can make top six are essentially shop window players especially if it’s his final year next year. If we can extend it then great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellsview Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 If you look at the squad we had at the end of last season to what we have now (plus a manager and back room staff signed up on long term contracts), then you’ve got to be happy with how things are. Yep, maybe another midfielder and a centre back would have been nice, but if someone had offered me at the end of last season the position we are in player and manager/management wise that we are now, I’d have snapped their hands off. It’s been a long time since we’ve had a better preseason than the one we’ve had this time around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 Just now, Bellsview said: If you look at the squad we had at the end of last season to what we have now (plus a manager and back room staff signed up on long term contracts), then you’ve got to be happy with how things are. Yep, maybe another midfielder and a centre back would have been nice, but if someone had offered me at the end of last season the position we are in player and manager/management wise that we are now, I’d have snapped their hands off. It’s been a long time since we’ve had a better preseason than the one we’ve had this time around. Probably best preseason since 2015, that was a good un til we signed Bannan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tewksbury Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 With the amount of first goals conceded from set pieces last season which ended up in defeat, a set piece coach could be another 10-15 points on last season. Too many games were we on top or competing at 0-0 for a stupid free kick or corner putting is behind and ending with a rout. Look at the Hiddersfield game last season, whoever scored first was going to win and we were looking the most likely till they scored from a corner. Just last season, Preston, Sunderland, Plymouth, Bristol, Birmingham, Ipswich are all games where the first goal conceded was a set piece and ended in defeat. There were more than that, they're just what I remember, as well as 2-3 games where it was a penalty, Hull, Cardiff. With our propensity to win if we score first and lose if they do, getting a grip on this could turn a relegation season into a promotion season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellsview Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 51 minutes ago, Tewksbury said: With the amount of first goals conceded from set pieces last season which ended up in defeat, a set piece coach could be another 10-15 points on last season. Hopefully he can sort out our set pieces as well, because I can’t be the only one sick and tired of watching Bannan especially take a corner or put in a cross which gets intercepted by the first defender. That first headed goal which Sunderland got against us from the free-kick, we are more than capable with the players we have of pulling off set pieces like that. It was so simple yet perfectly executed and got them going in the match, whilst we never recovered from it. Like you say, getting better at working on and defending set pieces could bring in a decent number of extra points. Clearly Danny has seen it and has quickly attempted to address it by bringing in Ben King. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tewksbury Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 22 minutes ago, Bellsview said: Hopefully he can sort out our set pieces as well, because I can’t be the only one sick and tired of watching Bannan especially take a corner or put in a cross which gets intercepted by the first defender. That first headed goal which Sunderland got against us from the free-kick, we are more than capable with the players we have of pulling off set pieces like that. It was so simple yet perfectly executed and got them going in the match, whilst we never recovered from it. Like you say, getting better at working on and defending set pieces could bring in a decent number of extra points. Clearly Danny has seen it and has quickly attempted to address it by bringing in Ben King. We registered 5 goal creating actions last season, 4 for Vaulks and 1 for Pato. We scored only 5 goals all season where one of the 2 preceding actions was a dead ball situation. That includes throwins too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Lime Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 Does anyone have an up to date list of players that are out of contract that we could sign if so required? I have seen a list but I just can't bring myself to copy and paste it on here due to the source. Some interesting names on there though. Please post if anyone has the list. TIA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted September 2 Author Share Posted September 2 @Harry Lime transfermarket website is pretty up to date. Just go to out of contract players. But these players probably haven't had a pre season and even if they're 'training' with clubs to keep fit (Martyn Waghorn using Wigan's facilities, apparently) they would need at least a month to get up to match fitness 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys 12th Pint Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 List of free agents - taken from another site so not sure of validity. DEFENDERS Daniel Ayala Reggie Cannon Cyrus Christie Ciaran Clark Liam Cooper Paul Dummett John Egan Nathan Ferguson Ryan Fredericks Carl Jenkinson Martin Kelly Terence Kongolo Erik Pieters James Tomkins Brandon Williams MIDFIELDERS Dele Alli Stuart Armstrong Dominic Ball Jack Cork Ovie Ejaria John Fleck Jeff Hendrick Matty James Daniel Johnson Cheikhou Kouyate Jake Livermore Emiliano Marcondes Josh Onomah Fred Onyedinma Adam Reach Romaine Sawyers FORWARDS Tyler Burey Aaron Connolly Scott Hogan Freddie Ladapo Tyreece John-Jules Sheyi Ojo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 The immediate question I always ask is why are they free agents. I appreciate age is a factor in a lot of them, but fitness records, more likely attitude, application. I am sure there is a secondary unofficial database amongst the analysts of "don't touch with a bargepole" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys 12th Pint Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 We could do with a Glenn Loovens type freebie. Although seem to think he had been training with us a while first so was probably more up to speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted September 2 Author Share Posted September 2 (edited) That list doesn't say how long they've been a free agent. Josh Onomah hasn't had a club since July 2023 but Freddie Ladapo only left Ipswich on Saturday after having his contract paid up Edited September 2 by Tylluan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted September 2 Author Share Posted September 2 17 minutes ago, Hirstys 12th Pint said: We could do with a Glenn Loovens type freebie. Although seem to think he had been training with us a while first so was probably more up to speed. Get Danny to have a word with Mats Hummel who's still a free agent after a move to Roma has stalled because they need Smalling to move to Saudi first. Or Michael Hector is available Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 2 hours ago, Tylluan said: That list doesn't say how long they've been a free agent. Josh Onomah hasn't had a club since July 2023 but Freddie Ladapo only left Ipswich on Saturday after having his contract paid up He was at PNE for last part of last season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCraigsOwl Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 2 hours ago, Tylluan said: Freddie Ladapo only left Ipswich on Saturday after having his contract paid up Does that mean he couldn't play for us 'til January at the earliest, seeing as Saturday was after the end of the window? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 9 minutes ago, EastCraigsOwl said: Does that mean he couldn't play for us 'til January at the earliest, seeing as Saturday was after the end of the window? Who the fuck would want Lapado 2 hours ago, mkowl said: The immediate question I always ask is why are they free agents. I appreciate age is a factor in a lot of them, but fitness records, more likely attitude, application. I am sure there is a secondary unofficial database amongst the analysts of "don't touch with a bargepole" Money, with clubs facing cash troubles they are shedding squad players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 15 minutes ago, Reesh said: Who the fuck would want Lapado Money, with clubs facing cash troubles they are shedding squad players. My point is if you are good enough you would have found another club Supply and demand - these players are not good enough consistently to warrant the wages they want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tewksbury Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 1 minute ago, mkowl said: My point is if you are good enough you would have found another club Supply and demand - these players are not good enough consistently to warrant the wages they want There are plenty that have clubs who are not good enough consistently to warrant the wages they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted September 2 Author Share Posted September 2 1 hour ago, EastCraigsOwl said: Does that mean he couldn't play for us 'til January at the earliest, seeing as Saturday was after the end of the window? Any player who becomes a free agent before the transfer window closes is allowed to play provided they're named in the 25 man squad. If a player is released after the window closes then they can sign for a club but can't be included in the squad until the next window opens 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCraigsOwl Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 1 hour ago, Reesh said: Who the fuck would want Lapado I'm not saying I would. Just asking Mr Tylluan a query re the rules 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelters Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 What’s going on with Liam Cooper? He could do a job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 Just now, Chelters said: What’s going on with Liam Cooper? He could do a job. He's a Leeds **** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelters Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 8 minutes ago, Reesh said: He's a Leeds **** I’ll forgive him that if he can head some corners away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 He's 32 fuck that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 13 minutes ago, Reesh said: He's 32 fuck that. Three years younger than... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 28 minutes ago, Andyben said: Three years younger than... And the rest .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 4 hours ago, Tewksbury said: There are plenty that have clubs who are not good enough consistently to warrant the wages they want. True but if they are unemployed at present then someone has made the ultimate call to say fuck off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 32 minutes ago, mkowl said: True but if they are unemployed at present then someone has made the ultimate call to say fuck off Village. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 1 hour ago, Andyben said: Village. Correct they can go and play for a village team My point is why pay for players on the free agent list that nobody else wants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 29 minutes ago, mkowl said: Correct they can go and play for a village team My point is why pay for players on the free agent list that nobody else wants who says nobody else wants them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 28 minutes ago, Andyben said: who says nobody else wants them? They wouldn't be on the list if they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 It just means that their last club doesnt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 Is that Reggie Cannon on that freebie list any good? I recognise his name from QPR, but can't say I'm aware of him other than that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 First team analyst leaving the Owls after 6 years for the Premier League https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/sheffield-wednesday-figure-departing-owls-for-premier-league-club-4765619 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 2 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said: Is that Reggie Cannon on that freebie list any good? I recognise his name from QPR, but can't say I'm aware of him other than that! He has a Ball in west London 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 1 minute ago, HoylandOwl said: First team analyst leaving the Owls after 6 years for the Premier League https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/sheffield-wednesday-figure-departing-owls-for-premier-league-club-4765619 So that King was brought in with this in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 1 minute ago, Reesh said: He has a Ball in west London See what you did there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 15 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said: See what you did there Stevie Wonder would have seen it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 1 hour ago, HoylandOwl said: Is that Reggie Cannon on that freebie list any good? I recognise his name from QPR, but can't say I'm aware of him other than that! He got fired from his last job 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/clynp5j0pnyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto_Man Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 I read that this morning and thought of this thread... Ravel Morrison though 😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Lime Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 (edited) Squad lists for anyone interested. We have 22 at the moment. Anyone shed any light on Neymarv not being down as home grown? And Pato by the looks. https://s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/gc-media-assets.gc.eflservices.co.uk/9edd2ed0-6c4a-11ef-9965-335248f7bb41.pdf Edited September 8 by Harry Lime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Lime Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 This is us at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted September 8 Author Share Posted September 8 For those wondering, Birmingham born Marv isn't classed as home grown as he's come through non league and not a club academy. Yet Arsenal, City, et-al, can sign a Spanish 14 year old and he'll be 'home grown' by the time he's in the u18s Fucking stupid rule. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaconowl Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 1 hour ago, Tylluan said: For those wondering, Birmingham born Marv isn't classed as home grown as he's come through non league and not a club academy. Yet Arsenal, City, et-al, can sign a Spanish 14 year old and he'll be 'home grown' by the time he's in the u18s Fucking stupid rule. Someone got paid a lot of money to make that shit up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesh Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 42 minutes ago, Beaconowl said: Someone got paid a lot of money to make that shit up Well we can't have the big boys not having their pick of players can we. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 (edited) 12 hours ago, Tylluan said: For those wondering, Birmingham born Marv isn't classed as home grown as he's come through non league and not a club academy. Yet Arsenal, City, et-al, can sign a Spanish 14 year old and he'll be 'home grown' by the time he's in the u18s Fucking stupid rule. You just couldn't make that up! Ty, would that apply to the new, young striker who signed his first contract a few days ago? He's from those 'Didn't make it' separate academies.' Edited September 9 by Owling_Wolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted September 9 Author Share Posted September 9 57 minutes ago, Owling_Wolf said: You just couldn't make that up! Ty, would that apply to the new, young striker who signed his first contract a few days ago? He's from those 'Didn't make it' separate academies.' The rule is 3 years in the academy system between 15 and 21 to be classed as home grown. It doesn't have to be in the same club, you can move around. Brown is only 18 so if he makes it the first team before he's 21 then he won't need to be included in squad numbers but if he makes it after 21 then he'll have done 3 years and be home grown. Private 'pro-academies' are a grey area at the moment in regards to their status. It borders on South American 'ownership' principles as Rankin will have picked up a fee for 'selling' Brown to us. Brown may also have paid yearly fees to be coached. They're classed as businesses. Club academies aren't classed as money generating businesses but as part of the overall club structure. However, some PL clubs are looking to diversify into the franchised academy world as money spinners. Mate of mine has just signed his lad up to Leicester's u11s, against my advice, and there's over 80 kids in that age group. I warned him his lad couldn't play for anyone else once he'd signed but it's the lure of a pro academy. It's costing him £180 a month. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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