Tylluan Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Depends which Ai you use. EA Sports ran a simulation for Sky Sports which had the ball about 3" over the line Hawkeye used the official footage and some footage a fan had taken and concluded it didn't. There wouldn't have been a debate if Martin Peters had just rammed the ball in instead of peeling away, but maybe that gives you the answer anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 (edited) "Wouldn't have been given if they had VAR" Aye but both teams would have been down to 8 players if reffed today. Point being that you can't use today's rules to decide on an event in the past. Works with everything not just sport Edited July 13 by Andyben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 The time that Spain have looked at least 'rattled'... Pre the France opening 10 mins or so, was against Georgia (I think) where they went a bit longer going forward, hitting it beyond the Spanish press. That was Georgia who did that. We can do better than Georgia. They can be got at, but... They can get at us. IT SHOULD be a good game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skamp Posted July 14 Author Share Posted July 14 And so to the final. Spain v England 8pm BBC1 Hold on tight, wear your lucky clothes, drink from your lucky glass/mug, rub the dog or whatever else you need to do to get England over the line and finally win a tournament since 1966 and on foreign soil. COME ON ENGLAND 🏴 🏴🏴🦁🦁🦁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 10pm prediction time (11pm if extra time and penalties) Lots of drunken England fans and select Option A - hugging each other Option B - punching each other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto_Man Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 You forgot option c - shouting racist abuse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 14 minutes ago, Otto_Man said: You forgot option c - shouting racist abuse True and probably beating up their partner as option d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 16 hours ago, Alan Finney said: Was it over the line though?😀 Shaddap! 👀 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 15 hours ago, Alan Finney said: Roger Hunt surely. Whoever. Should have rammed it home and claimed the goal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 15 hours ago, HoylandOwl said: was against Georgia (I think) where they went a bit longer going forward, hitting it beyond the Spanish press. But Georgia played with pace off the shoulder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billysboy Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 22 hours ago, mkowl said: I hope so Just so we can fuck off that song once and for all At least they refresh the lyrics, be "60 years of hurt" if they don't win tonite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys 12th Pint Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 57 minutes ago, Billysboy said: At least they refresh the lyrics, be "60 years of hurt" if they don't win tonite. I'm with @mkowl that song and the Its Coming Home mantra is an embarrassment. One of the reasons I will be a grumpy arse and stay at home to watch it. Can't do with those who never watch football chanting it ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 2 hours ago, Hirstys 12th Pint said: I'm with @mkowl that song and the Its Coming Home mantra is an embarrassment. One of the reasons I will be a grumpy arse and stay at home to watch it. Can't do with those who never watch football chanting it ! Nowhere near as bad as the abysmal 'Sweet Caroline'! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holmesfield_owl Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 27 minutes ago, Owling_Wolf said: Nowhere near as bad as the abysmal 'Sweet Caroline'! Quite like the new vindaloo version and video is pretty amusing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
80s Owl Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 44 minutes ago, Owling_Wolf said: Nowhere near as bad as the abysmal 'Sweet Caroline'! I used to quite like this song but the addition of that "so good, so good, so good" bit has made me despise it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 On 10/07/2024 at 22:43, Andyben said: I'd be tempted to go back to a 4-3-2-1 against Spain. Walker Stones Guehi Shaw Rice Mainoo Bellingham Saka Foden Kane Let's see but this is his Starting XI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 There's only one England song worth talking about. New Order World in Motion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys 12th Pint Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 26 minutes ago, Tylluan said: There's only one England song worth talking about. New Order World in Motion With honourable mention to This Time in 1982. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 I hope we win by a really spawny VAR goal that shouldnt be allowed just for the Jocks and @Tylluan 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaconowl Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 9 minutes ago, Andyben said: I hope we win by a really spawny VAR goal that shouldnt be allowed just for the Jocks and @Tylluan I’ll take that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 On 13/07/2024 at 10:33, mkowl said: Like Wednesday I worry more if we go two up and then stop playing. When the Dutch got a degree of control for 10 minutes they created 3 or 4 chances. The Spanish are better and their movement worries me around the edge of the box Since 1966 ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 2 hours ago, 80s Owl said: I used to quite like this song but the addition of that "so good, so good, so good" bit has made me despise it. Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaconowl Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Fucking Alex Scott does my head in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto_Man Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Bet Trippier is pissed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 9 minutes ago, Otto_Man said: Bet Trippier is pissed You mean he's drunk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 2 hours ago, Andyben said: Let's see but this is his Starting XI ....yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Replacing Kyle Walker is gonna be as hard as it was replacing Gary Neville Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Is Heartbeat still on a Sunday night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theman Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Pretty much nullified Spain but not created Much going forward, set piece looks our best bet. Shaw doing well, can he last? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaconowl Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 We have played worse than that and gone on and won 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theman Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 So much for nullifying Spain 🫢 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaconowl Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Manoo needs to be replaced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pook Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 unbelieveable! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theman Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl4ever1867 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 That was a sublime goal by Spain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl4ever1867 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Gutted but the better team won, we had our moments during the game but the speed that Spain play with on & off the ball is an absolute joy to watch, the touch & go around the area is difficult to defend. Well done to Spain, the best team in the Tournament by far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl71 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Spain are a brilliant team. We have the makings of one, but it needs a fresh pair of eyes. Yeah some of the criticism of Southgate is o.t.t but the point stands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 See you in 2 years for more disappointment Good news it's only 4 weeks for normal club service to resume Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto_Man Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Bitter pill to swallow, but the best team throughout the tournament won. Rio just summed it up perfectly, Southgate keeps them on a lead until we go behind. Then when we equalise they go back on it. Waste of a shirt having Kane on for the first hour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelters Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 From a footballing perspective that’s the right result. Spain were comfortably the best team in the tournament. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 1 minute ago, owl4ever1867 said: Gutted but the better team won, we had our moments during the game but the speed that Spain play with on & off the ball is an absolute joy to watch, the touch & go around the area is difficult to defend. Well done to Spain, the best team in the Tournament by far. The reality is there can be few complaints based on the chances Spain created in the 2nd half. England have the nucleus of a good squad, but we must never fall into the trap of an unbalanced team like half this tournament. We have talent but we need the workers and tactics to get them on the ball Southgate does need to leave. New ideas, someone closer to the club tactics now employed. We may have seen the last of Kane but hopefully we can put Three Lions in the fucking bin, it's a curse 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skamp Posted July 14 Author Share Posted July 14 Gutted but the best team on the day, and the tournament, won. It's still fucking disappointing though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 4 minutes ago, Chelters said: From a footballing perspective that’s the right result. Spain were comfortably the best team in the tournament. The emphasis there is team. England improved in that regard but it's still more a collection of individuals. I mean aside from Kane you can't say anyone played poorly. We simply struggled to get Foden and Bellingham as an attacking threat. Mainoo showed he was new to this level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skamp Posted July 14 Author Share Posted July 14 Two years to plan. Take that as our positive from tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelters Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 2 minutes ago, mkowl said: The emphasis there is team. England improved in that regard but it's still more a collection of individuals. I mean aside from Kane you can't say anyone played poorly. We simply struggled to get Foden and Bellingham as an attacking threat. Mainoo showed he was new to this level. Been the problem for years. We try and find a system to suit the players, rather than getting the players to suit the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 2 minutes ago, Skamp said: Gutted but the best team on the day, and the tournament, won. It's still fucking disappointing though. And the next World Cup is in the US with hot conditions so whilst this group will improve not sure it will be enough. It is disappointing but I am fairly sanguine about it. Too long in the tooth, seen it too often to get misplaced hope. Those younger then fair enough they still have that belief and it will hurt for sure this defeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 3 minutes ago, Chelters said: Been the problem for years. We try and find a system to suit the players, rather than getting the players to suit the system. And the media and fan base are culpable in that regard. Promoting players after 2 good games But that others are undroppable I still don't think it helps that too many qualifiers are non competitive. So when we do play the better quality teams we struggle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skamp Posted July 14 Author Share Posted July 14 4 minutes ago, mkowl said: And the next World Cup is in the US with hot conditions so whilst this group will improve not sure it will be enough. It is disappointing but I am fairly sanguine about it. Too long in the tooth, seen it too often to get misplaced hope. Those younger then fair enough they still have that belief and it will hurt for sure this defeat. And the problem being that this Spain team have at least 2 more tournaments of winning in front of them. We're miles behind in that extent. On a sad note,that must surely be Kane's last game at full level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Owl Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Well that was like watching a non league side go to Manchester City in a cup match. Everytime we have faced decent opposition, we've looked like we've never played football. Belgium twice, Croatia, Italy and tonight. I'm giving the France QF game a let off It was so evident that the tactic wasn't working yet never changed. Saka isn't a wing back at all. Williams had so much freedom down his side, especially for the opening goal. For a few minutes, they were rattled but instead of taking the initiative and getting at them after making it 1-1, its back to safety first. Rubbish performance, as bad as our no show against Hull City. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Just now, Skamp said: And the problem being that this Spain team have at least 2 more tournaments of winning in front of them. We're miles behind in that extent. On a sad note,that must surely be Kane's last game at full level. I think he was carrying an injury but if he had dropped him you can imagine the furore. But he has been a drag on our performance for a while now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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