HoylandOwl Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 So, one change then. as expected. Gallagher in, Trent out. Same system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaconowl Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 6 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said: So, one change then. as expected. Gallagher in, Trent out. Same system. Im not jumping for joy at that change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamblor Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 11 minutes ago, Beaconowl said: Im not jumping for joy at that change We’re already through and today only determines our opponents. It’s a free hit where we could try anything. Gareth Southgate makes the change which has been his earliest sub in each match and that’s it. If we win today we avoid Germany, Spain and France until the final, so that means we’d avoid Germany, Spain and France. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winco Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Roy Keane for all his complete bellendness is bang on the money when he says that the England players are basically faggorts that can’t take any stick, in my interpretation of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto_Man Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 14 minutes ago, Gamblor said: We’re already through and today only determines our opponents. It’s a free hit where we could try anything. Gareth Southgate makes the change which has been his earliest sub in each match and that’s it. If we win today we avoid Germany, Spain and France until the final, so that means we’d avoid Germany, Spain and France. Given the second paragraph, surely the change and line up makes complete sense doesn't it? Well it does to me, let's go 3 up before we experiment surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl4ever1867 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Marvin Johnson would do a better job than Tripper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto_Man Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Any functional left back would be. I'm amazed at how he doesn't seem to know how to play left back, given he's a right back. There's no overlap, it's baffling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 52 minutes ago, Otto_Man said: Given the second paragraph, surely the change and line up makes complete sense doesn't it? Well it does to me, let's go 3 up before we experiment surely? Two up please. Knock Croatia out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellsview Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Wank! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 When we play forward; or dare to try to break the lines. We look like we could do summat. But it’s like they’re scared of getting 50 lines from Southgate as punishment 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winco Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 So unbalanced it’s unbelievable at this level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellsview Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 How the England dressing room ought to be right now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 The players are better of course but like watching how Wednesday played the last year of Carlos, or under Monk. Have the ball, do very little with it, more sideways and backward passes. And knowing the manager has his favourites, too stubborn / loyal to change it. Kane has to be withdrawn, you can't live off what might happen based on the past Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 2 minutes ago, Winco said: So unbalanced it’s unbelievable at this level. And how the sum of the parts is less than the individual components Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaconowl Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 (edited) The Brits on the TV over here are saying Rice is the logjam in midfield. He looks like a Deer in car headlights 5 forward passes out of 22 Edited June 25 by Beaconowl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBO Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Southgate will think we've played well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Best I've seen us play. Leaving middle open a little as we're playing more on the front foot, but much better. Think we'll see Mainoo for Gallagher and I'm not impressed with Kane's performance but much improved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Just now, Andyben said: Best I've seen us play. Leaving middle open a little as we're playing more on the front foot, but much better. Think we'll see Mainoo for Gallagher and I'm not impressed with Kane's performance but much improved Low bar that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Just now, Andyben said: Best I've seen us play. Leaving middle open a little as we're playing more on the front foot, but much better. Think we'll see Mainoo for Gallagher and I'm not impressed with Kane's performance but much improved 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank_Owl2,0 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Clueless, as Neville say we look basic, ie no pattern or system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Andyben Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 (edited) Gone 4-3-3 Trippier remains th big problem. Kills anything decent down the left Edited June 25 by Andyben 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 If our #9 is playing in channels and dropping in, play Palmer or even Foden there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Started watching late and just finished first half. Is Bellingham playing? This rigid 4-4-2 is made for him to find the space between the lines but I ain't seen it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto_Man Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 England look like a shit grass roots team. No plan, no movement, players all in each others way and the dumb fuck manager looking on clueless 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys 12th Pint Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 This is horrendous. Had a little snooze but realised had not missed anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 1 minute ago, Otto_Man said: England look like a shit grass roots team. No plan, no movement, players all in each others way and the dumb fuck manager looking on clueless All that's missing is some dad in a club tracksuit running up and down the line windmilling his arms shouting gerrit for'ad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 11 minutes ago, Tylluan said: All that's missing is some dad in a club tracksuit running up and down the line windmilling his arms shouting gerrit for'ad Isn't that Lee Dixon? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 (edited) 1-0 incoming Edited June 25 by Andyben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Just now, Andyben said: Imagine being Tomey/Watkins etc seeing that I'd have thrown Toney on because he's got more pace than Kane but still holds the physical threat. It'll never happen though because what happens if Toney scores? Southgate then has a dilemma he doesn't want 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 92m. First shot on target? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellsview Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Wankers! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 I mean there is little expectation to progress much further in the tournament. Southgate is the drag on this squad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaconowl Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Shocking performance. Bringing Gordon on so late is a fucking insult 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl4ever1867 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Well that's 90 minutes I won't get back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaconowl Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Just now, owl4ever1867 said: Well that's 90 minutes I won't get back. Just said the same to our lass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrolMong Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 The tempo was there tonight. But fuck me, are we lacking in creativity. There are no players in our team to get the ball between the lines despite the fact we have players who can get down the sides. But, I was much happier tonight because we tried to move the ball quickly. Some good displays, Guehi and Walker were good, Mainoo was good when he came on. I thought Palmer did different things to Saka who I thought also did well. Rice was much better second half. But, we have a massive issue at left back. Bellingham was poor, Gallagher was poor. We were also helped by Slovenia shutting up shop after 55 minutes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 I'm cautiously optimistic that we'll do better against the better teams, where we're not having to break them down. Problem is we may not be expecting to face one until ze final. I pray Shaw is available Sunday, and if not I'd probably start Gomez 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellsview Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Can’t wait to hear Southgate’s interview. I expect more bollocks from him in 5 minutes than Sunak, Starmer and Farage have talked in the last week combined! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto_Man Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 4 minutes ago, Beaconowl said: Shocking performance. Bringing Gordon on so late is a fucking insult Worst thing is, as soon as he came on he ran at their defender and the defender shit himself 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl71 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 (edited) Bit of a non-aggression pact. A point always enough for Slovenia. They had a little bit of a pop first half but basically gave up any attacking intent when Cesko was subbed. Southgate making like for like subs…in basically a shot to nothing. Bollocks. Waste of time going to the pub to watch it. We have not seen potential tournament winners, or even semi finalists, tonight. Edited June 25 by owl71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaconowl Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 1 minute ago, Otto_Man said: Worst thing is, as soon as he came on he ran at their defender and the defender shit himself Exfookingactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 6 minutes ago, Andyben said: I'm cautiously optimistic that we'll do better against the better teams, where we're not having to break them down. Problem is we may not be expecting to face one until ze final. I pray Shaw is available Sunday, and if not I'd probably start Gomez Edit. Reason is I feel teams are stronger when they set up assymetricly on the sides. Never play two outside or two inside wingers with attacking full backs, preferably play a wide midfielder on one side with an overlapper and a winger on the other with a more defensive full back. So Walker and Foden on the right, and in the absence of Shaw, Gomez and Gordon on the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaconowl Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 3 minutes ago, Andyben said: Edit. Reason is I feel teams are stronger when they set up assymetricly on the sides. Never play two outside or two inside wingers with attacking full backs, preferably play a wide midfielder on one side with an overlapper and a winger on the other with a more defensive full back. So Walker and Foden on the right, and in the absence of Shaw, Gomez and Gordon on the left. As you said earlier, I hope Shaw is fit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 5 minutes ago, Andyben said: I'm cautiously optimistic that we'll do better against the better teams, where we're not having to break them down. Problem is we may not be expecting to face one until ze final. I pray Shaw is available Sunday, and if not I'd probably start Gomez I can agree with the reasoning somewhat. Whilst we may create more, I think unfortunately the defence will be too weak to resist, the sloppiness in midfield more likely to be punished. England clearly have good players but play better as part of teams that have better coaching but other good players that offer a different dynamic. So it's how they complement each other. It's all a bit samey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Walker Stones Guehi Shaw Rice Mainoo That should cope with any of the attacking sides we've seen so far, and the midfield two can turn defence j to attack very swiftly Spain is the only worry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
80s Owl Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 1 hour ago, Andyben said: Walker Stones Guehi Shaw Rice Mainoo That should cope with any of the attacking sides we've seen so far, and the midfield two can turn defence j to attack very swiftly Spain is the only worry. No, Southgate is the only worry. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowl Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Good to see that Southgate has managed to turn England fans on each other. The fans booing being told by the happy clappers to "get behind the lads". There is merit to the latter of course, I mean Wednesday are the epitome of fans that would clap a pile of shit if it was in blue and white stripes. I mean the folk going out there are paying out a lot for the privilege. They do it willingly but there must be a few that resent it. Perhaps you just reflect like a Wednesday away day that it's fun aside from the 90 minutes of football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrolMong Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Let’s look at the positives. Defensively we look strong. I think we have faced the least attempts on goal in the competition. There were shoots when Mainoo came on where Rice could then go and do that number 8 job that he’s done so well at Arsenal. Mainoo was very bright and there was an immediate rapport between him and the creative players ahead of him. Our right side is very strong with Saka, Walker and the cameo from Cole Palmer. We looked a threat from set pieces against a big Slovenian side because the delivery was decent. Our issues are… Left back without Shaw is an issue. It’s really hurting Foden because Trippier has to come inside, which then means Foden comes inside, and in turn it clogs up the middle. It would be worse with Gomez there because he offers nothing over the halfway line at all, and his distribution is really poor. We haven’t figured out the conundrum of Foden and Bellingham, we are now at a stage where we can only pick one to help the balance of the team. Foden has been better than Bellingham the last two games because he is more mobile and has better movement. If we have to play a right footed left back, then I’m picking Gordon down the left now. Kane was much better. But, he’s struggling with the press. He got bollockings from Rice, Foden and Jude last night for not going early enough. The biggest issue is that we are not being brave enough in the last third. This means that when we get a player one on one, we aren’t trying to back them up enough. I watched France last night, who have been poor, and every time the wide player gets it, he drives at the defender. The amount of cut backs and blocked crosses in the France game was very high. The shoots are there. But, we need to be braver. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyben Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 (edited) 24 minutes ago, KrolMong said: It would be worse with Gomez there because he offers nothing over the halfway line at all, and his distribution is really poor. This is reason for my lob-sided wings. If Gordon plays, with Gomez effectively defending like full backs used to (and is becoming more common in elite football), then the Mainoo/Rice axis behind him and Bellingham/Foden/Palmer in the 10 role, means less congestion and more options for Gordon to go 'Out or In' especially with how cute the #10s can pass round corners etc. If we're not playing Holland, Kane gets the first half against and is told You're a #9. You play within the width of the box, do not move off the last man's shoulder and start the press high and early. If he doesn't - he's hooked If it is Holland, whose defensive line plays quite high, I'm gonna start Ivan Toney, Watkins or even Palmer . I'm resting Bellingham for the next round. Versus P3 team Pickford Walker Stones Guehi Shaw/Gomez Mainoo Rice Saka Foden Gordon Kane Versus Holland Pickford Walker Stones Guehi Shaw/Gomez Mainoo Rice Palmer Foden Gordon Toney Edited June 26 by Andyben 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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